Comment by AndrewDavis

Comment by AndrewDavis 20 hours ago

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Even that sounds easy compared to my country. In Australia a constitutional change requires a referendum, with a double majority condition to pass. Specifically it requires the vote in over half the states to be in favour, in addition to the overall national vote in favour.

klardotsh 19 hours ago

That described Dutch system also sounds relatively easy compared to the US model, which requires 2/3 votes in each chamber of Congress (meaning the people-based one and the land-based one), *then* 3/4 of the states (so another land-based check) have to ratify it.

Functionally this means that in the modern political climate, the US Constitution is fully frozen with no hope of amendment really ever again.

  • JumpCrisscross 4 hours ago

    > this means that in the modern political climate, the US Constitution is fully frozen

    Would note that this is a very modern phenomenon, with Nixon having considered pushing for abolishing the electoral college in the 70s.

  • Aeolun 11 hours ago

    Yeah, I wasn’t clear enough. The first vote (before the election) requires a simple majority vote. The second vote (after the election) requires a 2/3 in favor vote in both houses.

    I’m not sure if that’s worse than 3/4 states since the Netherlands isn’t so politically localized.