Comment by Retric

Comment by Retric 13 hours ago

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> first language?

1/3 of the global population is at all, there’s only 380 million native English speakers.

US, UK, Canada, Australia is where you find the bulk of native speakers. In say Germany or whatever they may become fluent but it’s relatively rare for German parents to be speaking English to each other in casual conversation next to an infant’s crib.

JumpCrisscross 13 hours ago

> there’s only 380 million native English speakers

Not how a lingua franca works.

There are 1.5 to 2 billion English speakers [1]. By far the largest number of people to speak a single language. Most of them are in America [2]. (If you count English learners, No. 2 is China [3].)

[1] https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/english-today/articl...

[2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/English-speaking_world

[3] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/236986651_The_stati...

  • ANewFormation 12 hours ago

    CIA gives 18.8%, so about 1.5 billion. [1]

    But this number is dubious as it's largely from self response. Here [2] is a list by country. So 25% of Thais, 50% of Ukrainians, 50% of Poles, and so on "speak English."

    In the sense of being able to say hello, thank you, and introduce themselves that is probably true. But "my name is Bob" maketh not a common tongue. If we narrowed it down to the percent of people that could hold a basic conversation, the number would plummet precipitously, likely leaving Mandarin at the top.

    [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_languages...

    [2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_English-s...

    • JumpCrisscross 12 hours ago

      > the number would plummet precipitously, likely leaving Mandarin at the top

      70% of Chinese speak Mandarin as a first language [1].

      > the sense of being able to say hello, thank you, and introduce themselves that is probably true

      This is English learners. If you count English learners, a third of Chinese speak English and a majority of the internet-connected world.

      [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_China

  • Retric 13 hours ago

    Being fluent is a different question, you can dream in English without it being your native language.

    first language = A first language (L1), native language, native tongue, or mother tongue is the first language a person has been exposed to from birth

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_language

    • JumpCrisscross 13 hours ago

      Yes, we understand what a first language is. You should understand why that’s irrelevant to this discussion.

      • lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 13 hours ago

        You know, they weren't the one to bring it up and their point seems to have consistently been that the majority of the global population does not speak English.