Comment by JumpCrisscross

Comment by JumpCrisscross 13 hours ago

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> there’s only 380 million native English speakers

Not how a lingua franca works.

There are 1.5 to 2 billion English speakers [1]. By far the largest number of people to speak a single language. Most of them are in America [2]. (If you count English learners, No. 2 is China [3].)

[1] https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/english-today/articl...

[2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/English-speaking_world

[3] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/236986651_The_stati...

ANewFormation 12 hours ago

CIA gives 18.8%, so about 1.5 billion. [1]

But this number is dubious as it's largely from self response. Here [2] is a list by country. So 25% of Thais, 50% of Ukrainians, 50% of Poles, and so on "speak English."

In the sense of being able to say hello, thank you, and introduce themselves that is probably true. But "my name is Bob" maketh not a common tongue. If we narrowed it down to the percent of people that could hold a basic conversation, the number would plummet precipitously, likely leaving Mandarin at the top.

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_languages...

[2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_English-s...

  • JumpCrisscross 12 hours ago

    > the number would plummet precipitously, likely leaving Mandarin at the top

    70% of Chinese speak Mandarin as a first language [1].

    > the sense of being able to say hello, thank you, and introduce themselves that is probably true

    This is English learners. If you count English learners, a third of Chinese speak English and a majority of the internet-connected world.

    [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_China

Retric 13 hours ago

Being fluent is a different question, you can dream in English without it being your native language.

first language = A first language (L1), native language, native tongue, or mother tongue is the first language a person has been exposed to from birth

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_language

  • JumpCrisscross 13 hours ago

    Yes, we understand what a first language is. You should understand why that’s irrelevant to this discussion.