Comment by jandrese

Comment by jandrese 2 days ago

7 replies

I read that as a failure of Palm's management, notably the ones that were negotiating with phone carriers. Jobs isn't the only guy who could have negotiated that kind of deal. Apple was a second run computer company that had almost no previous phone experience. They were not exactly negotiating from a position of strength, and the fact that only one carrier took them up on the offer shows just how tough it was.

It sounds like they really needed to say "Stop. We are the ones building the phone, you are the ones providing the service. We don't tell you how to build towers, you don't tell us how to build the handset, at least not the user facing part of the handset."

dmonitor 2 days ago

> Jobs isn't the only guy who could have negotiated that kind of deal

This is a debatable claim.

> Apple was a second run computer company that had almost no previous phone experience. They were not exactly negotiating from a position of strength

The iPhone was not a mobile Mac. It was an iPod with an inbuilt cellphone. iPod was HUGE. That was their upper hand.

pavlov a day ago

Apple in 2006 wasn’t a computer company, they were the iPod company.

It was huge as a consumer product. And that was the only thing that could convince a carrier to take a bet with Apple: they wanted exclusivity on the “next iPod”.

  • MichaelZuo 11 hours ago

    But Cingular/AT&T clearly didn’t sign a lifetime exclusivity contract with Apple?

    It didn’t even last 4 years.

joe_the_user 2 days ago

I would expect that being a computer company gave Apple more leverage than the handset makers. Apple could afford to have none of the providers say yes.

Moreover, Apple had prestige. It wasn't that big but it already the high-end computer maker. And Apple had the already successful ipod which served as the basis for the original iphone. And the handset makers had been fundamentally dependent on carriers in determining what features made it to the final phones - which would have had to made them essentially weaklings.

Which is to say, I think there's reason to think Apple had strength in it's negotiation position relative to a random handset maker.

wmf 2 days ago

Steve Jobs could say that but as the old saying goes, you are not Steve Jobs.

scarface_74 a day ago

By the time that the iPhone was introduced, Apple was riding high on the iPod.

  • ben7799 14 hours ago

    The resurgence of the Mac was already well under way at that point as well. Intel Macs had launched before the iPhone. Developer buy in to the Mac was pretty big by then.

    But aside from that everyone was carrying around an iPod everywhere along with a dumbphone even if you were a Windows user. We all hated using the dumbphones and loved the iPod.