Comment by throw5959

Comment by throw5959 2 days ago

29 replies

Can confirm, all aviation worldwide deals in feet and knots. It's also because it's much easier to do calculations on the fly (literally) - in your head. Metric is precise and logical but harder to use in stressful situations.

curl-up 2 days ago

Can you please give some real-world example of why it's easier to do calculations? Not disputing what you say, just hard for me to imagine why it would be so.

  • HPsquared 2 days ago

    1 knot is about 100 ft/min which is very convenient for descent at a specific glide slope (i.e. for 100 knots ground speed at 5% slope you want 500 ft/min descent rate). Standard is 3° which is about 5%.

    Knots are also handy for navigation as 1 nautical mile equals 1 minute of latitude. And of course a knot is 1 nautical mile per hour. So if you're doing 300 knots, that's 5 degrees of latitude per hour.

    The units fit together nicely as a system.

    • Ringz 2 days ago

      The calculation in the metric system would not necessarily be more complicated, but it would be different because the reference points in the metric system are not directly aligned with the geography of the Earth.

      "1 knot is about 100 ft/min which is very convenient for descent at a specific glide slope (i.e. for 100 knots ground speed at 5% slope you want 500 ft/min descent rate). Standard is 3° which is about 5%."

      You are right. It's an easy calculation. But I would say its easy because its historically based on imperial units. Its easy to think about easy calculations like this in metric units like:

      A 5% slope means descending 1 meter vertically for every 20 meters horizontally.

      • HPsquared 2 days ago

        The gradient thing would work if ground speed and vertical speed were both in m/s, but km/h is more common in metric for a ground speed. You don't usually think in terms of hours during a climb/descent!

        Glide slope of 3.6% would fit nicely though. Then, 100 km/h ground speed goes with vertical speed 1 m/s.

        Metric navigation would use the fact 90 degrees of latitude is 10,000 km.

    • jaggederest 2 days ago

      I suspect that the math is even easier using meters, meters, and meters per second than nautical miles, feet, and knots. I'll eat my hat if you can tell me the conversion from feet or inches to nautical miles without looking it up

      • dullcrisp 2 days ago

        Well if what they say is true then 100ft/min = 1 nautical mile/60min, so one nautical mile is 6000ft. Or I guess I missed the about so not exactly.

    • rmu09 2 days ago

      who is flying exactly north/south?

    • Dalewyn 2 days ago

      This sums it up. Metric is nice and clean tenths, but the real world is seldomly easily expressed in clean tenths.

      Another example: The feet is cleanly divisible in thirds, quarters, and twelfths, which is greatly appreciated in industry and particularly construction.

      Also to be bluntly mundane, almost everyone can just look down and have a rough measure of a foot which is good enough for daily use.

      Also, the "sterility" of metric doesn't do it any sentimental favours. Japan loves measuring size/volume in Tokyo Domes, for example.

      • NotEvil 2 days ago

        Not really, I have no idea what a foot is. But I can just look at yhe tiles and know they are 1*1 meter

plantain 2 days ago

Certainly not "worldwide". China uses metres. Recreational aircraft in Europe often use metres (almost all sailplanes).

  • throw5959 2 days ago

    No glider I have ever stepped in used metres. It doesn't make any sense, the tower wants to hear feet and knots and will communicate using that.

  • Tankenstein 2 days ago

    Thank you, I wasn't aware of China using metres. It turns out Russia uses them as well, confusingly below the transition level.

inglor_cz 2 days ago

"Metric is precise and logical but harder to use in stressful situations."

That fully depends on your cultural background. Feet, miles etc. are so foreign to me that I would be unable to calculate with them under stress.

But I am not a pilot nor a navigator, so...

  • throw5959 2 days ago

    No, it doesn't. I'm European, never used imperial before I became a pilot, and it's easier. Check it out, the formulas are much simpler to do in your head. Intuition doesn't matter, all that matters is that I can do the calculations quickly so I know I'm within parameter limits.

    • s1artibartfast 2 days ago

      I'm curious which ones you find easier? There or a few thermodynamics equations that are much more practical in SAE. This is because the many units are often developed out of within discipline experiment, whereas metric tries to use fundamental units across disciplines.

      • throw5959 2 days ago

        Take a look into a pilot handbook, they are all written down there.