Comment by MarkusWandel

Comment by MarkusWandel 7 days ago

31 replies

I do miss it though.

20 years ago you could run your email domain on a machine in your basement and it would work. You could send out email and it would be received, and the incoming spam volume was manageable.

20 years ago, a buddy used an account on my net-connected Linux machine to scrape map tiles off Google Maps. Google put a stop to it, and Gmaps wouldn't work any more on my (static) IP address. I told him "you broke it, you fix it" and he got on the horn with someone at Google and got it unblocked.

20 years ago, you could go on an online dating site and have a serious hope of finding a real mate for life. I did. Several others I know did.

20 years ago, you could go on Facebook, and see what your friends were up to.

Sure, many things didn't exist back then. But it was a more innocent world. The internet was still an optimistic place.

GuB-42 6 days ago

The article doesn't seem to make it its mind about whether it was the web 20 or 25 years ago. Very different actually

- 20 years ago you could run your email domain on a machine in your basement

25 years ago there was a good chance you were on dialup and couldn't afford to run a server 24/7 from your basement

- 20 years ago, a buddy used an account on my net-connected Linux machine to scrape map tiles off Google Maps

25 years ago: Google Maps?

- 20 years ago, you could go on an online dating site and have a serious hope of finding a real mate for life

25 years ago: Women on the internet?

- 20 years ago, you could go on Facebook

25 years ago: Facebook?

  • MarkusWandel 6 days ago

    "couldn't afford to run a server 24/7 from your basement" - it was early days but DSL was a thing, though expensive. But you could get a static IP address (which I still have! though when, not if, I have to change ISPs I'll lose that - another "good old days" thing) and fulltime internet access from your own box was a novelty. That's why I registered a domain (which I still have) and a friend said hey, you can get yourname@yourdomain email address and I can help you set it up! That was around 2002, give or take. I used that until "google apps for your domain" came along and let me port yourname@yourdomain to a Google account.

    It was such a novelty that I let friends and family have accounts on the box to host their own web stuff. The Google Maps hack wasn't exactly 20 years ago, possibly 2005-2006; I know that Gmaps (not Google Satellite) was a novelty, and still since "everything in the cloud" wasn't the default yet (as you point out, dialup was still the norm), a friend wanted to stitch together a big map of our area out of Gmaps tiles to use offline.

    Facebook: I got on in 2007 and felt late to the game already. Possibly exactly 20 years ago it didn't exist but close enough.

    As for online dating, that was just the thing! And here the date is spot on; I was active from 2003 to 2005. It wasn't just geeks any more. There were women. Lots of them. Just like a bit later everyone was on Facebook, at the time pretty much everyone who was single was trying online dating. But the "shareholder value" ensh*ttification was still in the future, and fake profiles weren't a significant factor. It was just lonelyhearts ads on steroids, and it worked. The other couples (20 years and going) that I know it worked for were "almosts" from my own dating that I stayed in touch with, simple as that. I was at a couple of the weddings!

  • BehindBlueEyes 3 days ago

    > 25 years ago: Women on the internet?

    This kind of reaction is (partly) why the women on the internet that I knew rarely disclosed their gender 25 years ago

jjav 6 days ago

> 20 years ago you could run your email domain on a machine in your basement and it would work. You could send out email and it would be received, and the incoming spam volume was manageable.

I'm still doing that today, works fine. Incoming spam is much reduced these days though, it was worse 20 years ago.

  • Mistletoe 6 days ago

    I can't even get Proton emails to be received and not go straight to spam, I think rolling my own would be even more impossible. Hell, Google is sending my own iCloud emails to spam from a fresh account.

lelandfe 6 days ago

Last year I went to two weddings of people who met on Hinge. I've got three more this year.

  • charlieyu1 6 days ago

    Good to hear. In my country there are too many MLMers or insurance agents that agree to a date then come to sell you things

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melvinroest 6 days ago

> 20 years ago, you could go on an online dating site and have a serious hope of finding a real mate for life. I did. Several others I know did.

You still can, you just have to be strategic about it due to a higher noise to signal ratio. I've helped a few of my friends and fellow HN'ers with it.

Each individual case differs, but it is always a variation of looking as your best self (or best photogenic self for online dating) and putting yourself out there a lot. You're looking for someone that you click really well with. So ultimately, it's a needle in a haystack thing.

  • concerndc1tizen 6 days ago

    It's hard to prove either way, for or against, because behaviors are different in different countries, age groups, apps, and so on. Maybe it works for some segments, but not others.

    But I've met countless people, of both genders, who swore that dating apps is a waste of time, and money. They're designed to be gambling machines. The house always wins, which in this case means the customers keep coming back.

    • BehindBlueEyes 3 days ago

      Maybe the problem is paid dating aps?

      Also enshitification is real there too, I don't think I'd find anyone now on the same dating app I met my spouse on years ago.

golergka 6 days ago

Every time I go on Facebook, Instagram and twitter, I see what my friends are up too. What happened to your social feeds?

  • mrweasel 6 days ago

    > What happened to your social feeds?

    That's a really interesting question. Pretty much everyone I know stopped posting on Facebook around 2014 (rough guess, but seems about right). It's not that they stopped posting altogether, but they cut down severally. The final year on Facebook I'd curated my feed to see only post made directly by friends, and I could pretty much catch up in five minutes every other week. Post was also never really stuff that I needed to know, it would just be silly things, which is nice, or something that we'd talk about anyway at some point. It feels like people got tired of keeping an online journal on Facebook pretty quickly.

    It's interesting that some people travel in circles where Facebook, or perhaps more likely Instagram these days, just work for them and the people around them. Other, like myself, or my wife, are probably more often talking to friends on the phone or chatting on some type of chat/group chat.

    It would be an interesting study, if someone where to find out why difference social circles gravitate towards different channels of communication. For me, the people I care about are clearly split in two, IRC or Snapchat (which is two really weird extremes).

    • MarkusWandel 6 days ago

      I have a handful of friends who still post interesting stuff. I get shown maybe 50% of that, and yes, sometimes on the "throne of introspection" with my smartphone I [doom]scroll quite a way down so it's not like I never look.

      FB still works for special interest groups and Marketplace. But the timeline is a morass of clickbait, scams, and borderline porn. And in my case, Coyote/Roadrunner clips and old comics.

      The main timeline is so algorithmically generated - sometimes I get shown something, want to look at it a bit later, and never see it again.

      • BehindBlueEyes 3 days ago

        Same experience. My friends and local community posts a lot, but facebook will only show me 1 connection for for every 7 rando reels / recommended / sponsored channels (aka ads), not counting the blocks suggesting new friends and such. Maybe 1 post i care about in 10 cards.

        Not only that but the friends posts that do show up are shown several days later, meaning that anything like local event, yard sales etc are long wrapped up by the time facebook decides to make me aware of it. And I can't figure out why facebook prioritizes posts from highschool friends over recently added ones which may be more relevant.

        Basically I only look at feeds of friend/group posts directly and ignore the main feed which is just the worst useless garbage i can think of.

  • herbst 5 days ago

    As nobody else is actually using it all I get is spam got investment scams.

Aurornis 7 days ago

Comments like this are a good example of rose colored glasses

> You could send out email and it would be received, and the incoming spam volume was manageable.

You must have very different memories of the spam problem than I do. I wouldn't trade today's spam filtering technologies for what we had back then.

> 20 years ago, a buddy used an account on my net-connected Linux machine to scrape map tiles off Google Maps. Google put a stop to it, and Gmaps wouldn't work any more on my (static) IP address. I told him "you broke it, you fix it" and he got on the horn with someone at Google and got it unblocked.

Which part of this do you miss? The fact that your friend had to try to manually scrape a service because it wasn't trivially easy to download open map tiles like it is today? Or the fact that you had to know somebody to get your home IP un-banned, because it once again wasn't cheap and easy to get a cloud server running in minutes like it is today?

The only fun part about this memory appears to be the adventure you had because the internet was new to you two and doing things is more fun when it's new.

> 20 years ago, you could go on an online dating site and have a serious hope of finding a real mate for life. I did. Several others I know did.

This still happens all the time. Given that you're no longer on those apps, I assume you're getting your perspective from internet anger outlets like Reddit where people who aren't having success on those websites complain about them, but people continue to find partners and get married. I was at such a wedding very recently.

> But it was a more innocent world. The internet was still an optimistic place.

I'm sorry, but I think you're underestimating how much you have changed, along with the content you consume.

  • MarkusWandel 6 days ago

    20 years ago you didn't get lifetime-banned by an AI for going off the beaten path and experimenting. That's what I was pointing out.

    And I did actually run the mail server. A friend set it up for me, SpamAssassin or something else may have been involved. The main thing was, though, you could still send email from your own SMTP server without it being automatically binned because it doesn't come from one of the big, "trusted" email services.

    • ryandrake 6 days ago

      I run my own mail server today for my family, and very rarely have deliverability problems. Bog standard Linux install, exim4, dovecot, SpamAssassin. It's basically set and forget. I've been doing so for over a decade, so I probably built up some pretty good IP reputation, but it's totally possible to run mail yourself.

    • owebmaster 6 days ago

      > 20 years ago you didn't get lifetime-banned by an AI for going off the beaten path and experimenting. That's what I was pointing out

      20 years ago a mod would do that and today they still do for example here in this forum

      • lmm 6 days ago

        From one forum or IRC channel, sure. But you could spin up another, there were plenty. You couldn't get banned "from email" - maybe from one email host if you really pissed off the guy at one ISP, but that would only be a tiny fraction of the people you wanted to email.

  • droidist2 6 days ago

    > This still happens all the time.

    People win the lottery all the time too