Comment by _nalply

Comment by _nalply 10 months ago

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Human rights are important, for example the right to be heard in conflicts.

Let me explain why I believe that a new form of country will appear: Companies will turn into countries.

Currently large companies like Google, Amazon, Apple, Microsoft and so on, don't "offer" human rights. People however want them to have more responsibility, especially in Europe. This is a changing force already in progress. Perhaps it will turn out that the European Court of Human Rights or a similar institution will do the same thing to Corporate what it already does for many countries.

Of course the ECHR is not working well today, there are many problems, but should we just give up and let Corporate become feudal? At least I propose we should think about what we people need from countries and corporate entities and how to gain these needs.

I guess at some point Europe could enforce corporate entities to give the right to be heard to people, for example.

And that's one step of them turning into countries.

Perhaps you think, a country, that's something with an army. But an army is not really neccessary if there is some other way to control power. Currently, however, the world doesn't seem to have a lot of power as we see with many different wars.

I am a bit pessimistic about the future of humanity, but I still hope that in the long-term we will find a way without raw material power to resolve conflicts, because this is really wasteful and might even lead to our demise.

GJim 10 months ago

> Europe could enforce corporate entities to give the right to be heard to people

Maybe not quite what you meant....

.... but the GDPR gives users the right not to be subjected to decisions based entirely on automated processing (including AI).

Thus, you have the right to have a human (an actual person!) consider your bank loan application, parking fine, passport application, membership cancellation etc, rather than just have an automatic system say "computer says no" with no right of appeal.

This is an important law which restricts potential tyranny (and I use that word with its full meaning) caused by allowing governments and corporations to limit public's engagement with wider business and society though the use of a restrictive IT practice.

https://gdpr-info.eu/art-22-gdpr/

  • _nalply 10 months ago

    Yes, but it's a half-baked step.

    Probably it's time to rethink what a nation means.

    At least I got a vision, citizenship is like being a member of an association.

    Currently, citizenship is very restricted, but I hope for a more open world, where citizenship is a lot more fluent than today. Of course many protections are neccessary which are implicit in citizenship. That's why I wrote about human rights and corporate organisations. I imagine an automatic membership bound to residency and what is citizenship today turns into membership to some cultural association.

    And customers become members of their corporate entity and thus gain many rights we don't have today. That's why I said, corporate entities turn into countries.

    Perhaps in about a hundred years if our civilization is still thriving at least somewhat?

    • piva00 10 months ago

      In this future you will have different factions living under the same territory, each belonging to a different "corporate entity". Usually in human history anytime this happened we either joined forces of different factions into a "nation" sharing a common territory or all-out civil war broke out.

      Removing the concept of nation to become a scattered technotribalism doesn't make sense, we need to go up a level where the whole concept of separating individuals by nations start to dissolve and we all share a common culture of being humans. For that the first barrier is language, without a common way to communicate between ourselves it's pretty hard to see the other as similar to you.

      What you advocate for is going back to tribalism.

      • _nalply 10 months ago

        There has always been multiculturalism, even hundreds of years ago.

        One example was Córdoba, where Muslims, Jews, and Christians lived together. They even had different laws, because the Muslims had what they called "dhimmi" status, which meant that different groups had their own jurisdiction granted by the Muslim rulers.

        This ended because of many factors, one of them being the collapse of the Caliphate due to internal strife. So I grant that it is difficult, but not impossible.

        Our descendants will see if this form of living together can be sustainably established in the future.

senectus1 10 months ago

sounds like the setup to a William Gibson novel.

  • more_corn 10 months ago

    Or a Neil Stephenson one. “You would choose your nationality like you choose your broadband provider. You would become a citizen of the franchised cyber statelet of your choice.“

    Maybe the story could focus around a plucky courier named YT, a reluctant hero in black and feature swashbuckling hi jinx in a Balkanized landscape of competing franchised techno micro states.

    Pretty sure he’s just pitching the social layout of Snow Crash.

  • dsr_ 10 months ago

    Max Barry, actually. JENNIFER GOVERNMENT is the novel.