Comment by GJim

Comment by GJim 10 months ago

> Europe could enforce corporate entities to give the right to be heard to people

Maybe not quite what you meant....

.... but the GDPR gives users the right not to be subjected to decisions based entirely on automated processing (including AI).

Thus, you have the right to have a human (an actual person!) consider your bank loan application, parking fine, passport application, membership cancellation etc, rather than just have an automatic system say "computer says no" with no right of appeal.

This is an important law which restricts potential tyranny (and I use that word with its full meaning) caused by allowing governments and corporations to limit public's engagement with wider business and society though the use of a restrictive IT practice.

https://gdpr-info.eu/art-22-gdpr/

_nalply 10 months ago

Yes, but it's a half-baked step.

Probably it's time to rethink what a nation means.

At least I got a vision, citizenship is like being a member of an association.

Currently, citizenship is very restricted, but I hope for a more open world, where citizenship is a lot more fluent than today. Of course many protections are neccessary which are implicit in citizenship. That's why I wrote about human rights and corporate organisations. I imagine an automatic membership bound to residency and what is citizenship today turns into membership to some cultural association.

And customers become members of their corporate entity and thus gain many rights we don't have today. That's why I said, corporate entities turn into countries.

Perhaps in about a hundred years if our civilization is still thriving at least somewhat?

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piva00 10 months ago

In this future you will have different factions living under the same territory, each belonging to a different "corporate entity". Usually in human history anytime this happened we either joined forces of different factions into a "nation" sharing a common territory or all-out civil war broke out.
Removing the concept of nation to become a scattered technotribalism doesn't make sense, we need to go up a level where the whole concept of separating individuals by nations start to dissolve and we all share a common culture of being humans. For that the first barrier is language, without a common way to communicate between ourselves it's pretty hard to see the other as similar to you.
What you advocate for is going back to tribalism.

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- _nalply 10 months ago
  
  There has always been multiculturalism, even hundreds of years ago.
  One example was Córdoba, where Muslims, Jews, and Christians lived together. They even had different laws, because the Muslims had what they called "dhimmi" status, which meant that different groups had their own jurisdiction granted by the Muslim rulers.
  This ended because of many factors, one of them being the collapse of the Caliphate due to internal strife. So I grant that it is difficult, but not impossible.
  Our descendants will see if this form of living together can be sustainably established in the future.
  
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