supergeek 2 hours ago

I find this passage quite amusing:

"Schöfbänker has also cross-haired with his equipment the "KH-11 Kennen" electro-optical satellites that were first introduced in 1976. "They are somewhat similar to the Hubble Space Telescope, but optimized to look down to Earth, instead of studying space," he said."

It's fairly well documented that the Hubble was effectively a US spy satellite pointing towards space, not the other way around. Or at least, it used all of the infrastructure in place to manufacture spy satellites.

Same maximum mirror size, same set of contractors/facilities, etc. It had a very different set of sensors, data systems, and focal range, but more or less demonstrated the US's spy satellite capabilities at the time.

  • mandevil 4 minutes ago

    The size being the same was not because of design reuse, but because that's the size limits imposed by the Space Shuttle payload bay. (1) Many of the contractors were the same, but that's because they won a competitive bidding process with a CCD design against a different set of contractors vidicon tube technology. Now, their experience with CCD's did come from the KH-11 process, but their bid did have competition.

    1: Speculation but reasonably informed: in 1970 when the USAF was asked to set the size of the payload bay (in exchange for USAF political support on a program that had just survived by one vote, their parameters became the design guidelines for the STS) they basically went with their latest design at the time, the KH-10 Manned Orbiting Laboratory, which had already been canceled but was the latest thing anyone had. If the people at NRO who provided the specs had known how the future was going to go, they would have probably wanted a shorter but wider payload bay, so you could put bigger main mirrors into space. But, and this is total speculation, in 1970 when they are committing to this the KH-11 is far enough in the future that they don't have a good understanding of what it should be like. The KH-11 was designed to be carried into space by the STS, but the STS was delayed so its first flights were on unmanned rockets, and then after Challenger the NRO tried to get all of their satellites off the STS and go fully unmanned. A couple of satellites were far enough along that they were committed to the Shuttle after Return to Flight, but no more were committed after that point.

  • Loughla an hour ago

    So that was how long ago? I guess the super zoom satellite footage from movies might not be unrealistic like I thought. . .

    • sbierwagen an hour ago

      There's a hard physical limit (the Rayleigh criterion) on the resolution of an optical system by how big the open end is. You won't get "super zoom" capabilities without a satellite the size of a stadium. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KH-11_KENNEN#Resolution_and_gr...

      • alganet 41 minutes ago

        What about multiple satellites working to get one image?

        Like the arrays we have on Earth pointing to space, but instead, arrays on space pointing to Earth.

        I know there probably isn't that many KH-style satellites to do it, but would it be possible?

        • GlenTheMachine 35 minutes ago

          The alignment has to be better than half a wavelength. That's doable for RF, but for optical telescopes you're talking nanometers. That's not possible (currently or in the foreseeable future) for a spacecraft constellation.

    • coolspot an hour ago

      In 2022 Trump declassified this satellite picture showing amazing resolution of current generation: https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2019/09/05/ap_1924315303447...

      • pests 44 minutes ago

        By declassified, you mean accidently tweeted a cell phone picture of the image printed out.

        Which is his right, just wanted to add context.

      • rafram 28 minutes ago

        That looks about as high-resolution as Google Maps to me. I’m sure the government can do much, much better, but this isn’t a good showcase.

avalys an hour ago

Speaking of secret spacecraft - has anything interesting ever been revealed about the “Zuma” satellite, which failed to reach orbit a few years ago? It was supposedly a very expensive, very important program, but so secret that no agency ever admitted to owning it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuma_(satellite)

slicktux 29 minutes ago

Anyone else getting a prompt on Safari when visiting the page asking them; “Do you want to download “sync”?”

And the only option on prompt being Download… Anyone??

ipv6ipv4 an hour ago

What about Chinese satellites?

Somehow, I feel that would be more interesting as there is even less public information about them.

adamredwoods 2 hours ago

I would have read the article, but after a few nag-popups and ads, my laptop fan kicked on, so I closed it. Space.com is one of the few websites I care about that I would like to be a bit more browser-friendly.

  • binkHN an hour ago

    Firefox's reading mode is a godsend.

  • 486sx33 2 hours ago

    AdGuard on safari has zero pop ups or nags for me

  • TacticalCoder an hour ago

    > ... but after a few nag-popups and ads, my laptop fan kicked on

    On my Linux I have 12 workspaces or so and my main browser is always on a specific workspace. Then I configured my system to always put the CPU in "powersave" mode when I'm switching to that workspace. Actually all my workspaces besides the one where I do dev are in powersave. Fixes the fan issue. Works for GPUs too (there are tools to configure the max TDP of a GPU: even if approximative, it works).

    I'm also blocking ads / millions of domains at the DNS (I'm running both unbound and dnsmasq).

piombisallow 2 hours ago

I wonder what the satellites think about Mr. Schöfbänker's tracking rig.

  • JKCalhoun 29 minutes ago

    They can see their reflection in the glass covering the scope's aperture.