supergeek 10 months ago

I find this passage quite amusing:

"Schöfbänker has also cross-haired with his equipment the "KH-11 Kennen" electro-optical satellites that were first introduced in 1976. "They are somewhat similar to the Hubble Space Telescope, but optimized to look down to Earth, instead of studying space," he said."

It's fairly well documented that the Hubble was effectively a US spy satellite pointing towards space, not the other way around. Or at least, it used all of the infrastructure in place to manufacture spy satellites.

Same maximum mirror size, same set of contractors/facilities, etc. It had a very different set of sensors, data systems, and focal range, but more or less demonstrated the US's spy satellite capabilities at the time.

  • mandevil 10 months ago

    The size being the same was not because of design reuse, but because that's the size limits imposed by the Space Shuttle payload bay. (1) Many of the contractors were the same, but that's because they won a competitive bidding process with a CCD design against a different set of contractors vidicon tube technology. Now, their experience with CCD's did come from the KH-11 process, but their bid did have competition.

    1: Speculation but reasonably informed: in 1970 when the USAF was asked to set the size of the payload bay (in exchange for USAF political support on a program that had just survived by one vote, their parameters became the design guidelines for the STS) they basically went with their latest design at the time, the KH-10 Manned Orbiting Laboratory, which had already been canceled but was the latest thing anyone had. If the people at NRO who provided the specs had known how the future was going to go, they would have probably wanted a shorter but wider payload bay, so you could put bigger main mirrors into space. But, and this is total speculation, in 1970 when they are committing to this the KH-11 is far enough in the future that they don't have a good understanding of what it should be like. The KH-11 was designed to be carried into space by the STS, but the STS was delayed so its first flights were on unmanned rockets, and then after Challenger the NRO tried to get all of their satellites off the STS and go fully unmanned. A couple of satellites were far enough along that they were committed to the Shuttle after Return to Flight, but no more were committed after that point.

  • red369 10 months ago

    I think also part of the KY-11 were the two telescopes the NRO (National Reconnaissance Office) donated to NASA in 2012. I forget the details I read, but as I remember they were roughly equivalent to Hubble, but obselete for the NRO.

  • Loughla 10 months ago

    So that was how long ago? I guess the super zoom satellite footage from movies might not be unrealistic like I thought. . .

    • sbierwagen 10 months ago

      There's a hard physical limit (the Rayleigh criterion) on the resolution of an optical system by how big the open end is. You won't get "super zoom" capabilities without a satellite the size of a stadium. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KH-11_KENNEN#Resolution_and_gr...

      • alganet 10 months ago

        What about multiple satellites working to get one image?

        Like the arrays we have on Earth pointing to space, but instead, arrays on space pointing to Earth.

        I know there probably isn't that many KH-style satellites to do it, but would it be possible?

      • wkat4242 10 months ago

        Cool to see Clifford Stoll mentioned there, he was also the one detecting one of the first international state-sponsored hacking attacks on the US and wrote a book about it, The Cuckoo's Egg.

    • coolspot 10 months ago

      In 2022 Trump declassified this satellite picture showing amazing resolution of current generation: https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2019/09/05/ap_1924315303447...

      • pests 10 months ago

        By declassified, you mean accidently tweeted a cell phone picture of the image printed out.

        Which is his right, just wanted to add context.

      • rafram 10 months ago

        That looks about as high-resolution as Google Maps to me. I’m sure the government can do much, much better, but this isn’t a good showcase.

avalys 10 months ago

Speaking of secret spacecraft - has anything interesting ever been revealed about the “Zuma” satellite, which failed to reach orbit a few years ago? It was supposedly a very expensive, very important program, but so secret that no agency ever admitted to owning it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuma_(satellite)

slicktux 10 months ago

Anyone else getting a prompt on Safari when visiting the page asking them; “Do you want to download “sync”?”

And the only option on prompt being Download… Anyone??

  • thelastparadise 10 months ago

    Why don't you download/run it and tell us what it is.

    • slicktux 10 months ago

      I would…but don’t have time right now to go down a rabbit hole…I need sleep. :)

  • robinsonrc 10 months ago

    Not seeing it in Safari on iOS at least (although I may have missed it amongst the thousands upon thousands of adverts… I really should look into alternatives again)

    • slicktux 10 months ago

      I’m using iOS…I tried again visiting the site and I got the dialog prompt once again…

  • nielsbot 10 months ago

    Same here. Maybe something delivered from an ad?

adamredwoods 10 months ago

I would have read the article, but after a few nag-popups and ads, my laptop fan kicked on, so I closed it. Space.com is one of the few websites I care about that I would like to be a bit more browser-friendly.

  • binkHN 10 months ago

    Firefox's reading mode is a godsend.

  • interludead 10 months ago

    Nothing kills the reading mood faster than popups and a struggling laptop fan

  • 486sx33 10 months ago

    AdGuard on safari has zero pop ups or nags for me

  • reportgunner 10 months ago

    Somebody photographed a military satelite, not much to see.

  • TacticalCoder 10 months ago

    > ... but after a few nag-popups and ads, my laptop fan kicked on

    On my Linux I have 12 workspaces or so and my main browser is always on a specific workspace. Then I configured my system to always put the CPU in "powersave" mode when I'm switching to that workspace. Actually all my workspaces besides the one where I do dev are in powersave. Fixes the fan issue. Works for GPUs too (there are tools to configure the max TDP of a GPU: even if approximative, it works).

    I'm also blocking ads / millions of domains at the DNS (I'm running both unbound and dnsmasq).

    • binkHN 10 months ago

      How does powersave mode help here? All it does is slow everything down when you're in that workspace.

piombisallow 10 months ago

I wonder what the satellites think about Mr. Schöfbänker's tracking rig.

  • JKCalhoun 10 months ago

    They can see their reflection in the glass covering the scope's aperture.