Comment by wildzzz

Comment by wildzzz 15 hours ago

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The only 100% safe method is to not do the illegal activity at all. There's always a risk/rewards analysis to be performed when committing any act that could have negative consequences whether you're playing the stock market or doing credit card fraud. For any major criminal that gets caught, you can usually read the arrest affidavit which offers a pretty interesting look into how the criminal was caught despite the careful measures they took. The one for DPR is interesting to read and shows how despite taking careful measures, DPR left a trail of breadcrumbs that investigators used to track him down. His use of Tor was pretty solid (assuming the whole affidavit isn't complete parallel construction fiction) but it was everything else he did outside of it that got him in the end. There's another story of a university student that sent threats to his school to get out of an exam or something through anonymous emails over Tor. They only caught him because he was the only person using Tor on the school network at the time the email was sent. If he was off campus, he may have remained anonymous.

An analog crime I think about is the murders in Moscow, Idaho. The criminal did take some careful measures like wearing gloves but he left a knife sheath behind that contained DNA evidence. Everything else they had on him was circumstantial, he owned a similar car to what police thought they saw on people's doorbell cameras and his phone went offline during the time of the murders and also pinged a tower close to the crime scene hours afterwards. Police found a partial genealogy match to his DNA which I'm sure they compared to similar car owners and cell tower records. If he hadn't left the sheath behind, wore something like a Tyvek suit, and simply left his phone at home, the suspect pool would have likely been too large. His careful measures (turning off his phone, making multiple passes in his car) likely contributed to police focusing on him once the DNA proved a link.

AnthonyMouse 13 hours ago

> The only 100% safe method is to not do the illegal activity at all.

Nope. Not even that is 100% safe because you can be falsely convicted of a crime you never even committed. Many privacy tools reduce that risk as well, because you're less likely to be convicted by e.g. a lazy prosecutor willing to take things out of context if you provide them with less source material to trawl through.

  • pbhjpbhj 13 hours ago

    On the other hand "he was using the dark-web Tor browser beloved of criminals and widely used amongst drug sellers" is probably pretty convincing to jurors.

    • AnthonyMouse 13 hours ago

      What jury? Only 2% of criminal cases go to trial. The goal is to give them nothing they can use to bring you up on (false) charges. Using Tor isn't a chargeable offense in free countries.

      • jboy55 11 hours ago

        I think the point was that you aren't being "charged" with using Tor, you are being charged with buying drugs online. You have Tor installed and unfortunately a very small percentage of people have Tor installed. That might be enough to convince a jury, or be enough pressure for you to plead down to a lower crime to reduce that risk.

  • PurestGuava 12 hours ago

    > Nope. Not even that is 100% safe because you can be falsely convicted of a crime you never even committed.

    That's so exceptionally unlikely as to be something you can discount as a possibility, providing you don't actually commit crimes.

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