Comment by kranke155

Comment by kranke155 2 days ago

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The point is that unfortunately geopolitics ends up in an eternal competitive state.

Losing your industrial base and giving it away to a geopolitical competitor is almost certainly an error in the long run.

Large industrial bases also are correlated with healthier middle class societies, according to Vaclav Smil, and in my experience, he’s exactly right.

So losing the industrial base is fine for you, a service sector worker, but it’s bad for the country and it’s bad for society, if you want it to have a healthy middle class.

saint_fiasco 2 days ago

Most of the country works in the service sector. It's not like I'm some kind of out of touch elite.

The ones who are most hurt by tariffs, most affected by higher prices, are the working class. Sure, the workers of the specific industries that are lucky enough to be protected, the ones with the most persuasive lobbies, will certainly benefit. But every other worker will be a little worse off.

If you are concerned about the people who got hurt by globalization, maybe the government should collect money from people like us and spend it on people like them. They can set up the tax in such a way that rich people pay the most.

But if you use tariffs to help the people who got hurt by globalization, you cannot set it up in such a careful way. It's a blunt instrument that hurts productivity across the board and increases the prices to the end consumer. It becomes an implicit tax that poor people pay the most. An actual explicit tax would hurt much less.

  • kranke155 2 days ago

    If the consumer becomes richer by brining industry back to your country you might actually end up a victor in that transaction.

  • tivert 2 days ago

    > The ones who are most hurt by tariffs, most affected by higher prices, are the working class.

    Perhaps in the short to medium term, the people who had their livelihoods decimated and partially compensated for the decline in their standard of living by buying cheap imported products, will be most affected.

    But tariffs should be a component of a longer term plan of tradeoffs to revitalize the protected industries.

    > If you are concerned about the people who got hurt by globalization, maybe the government should collect money from people like us and spend it on people like them.

    That idea is past its sell-by date. It's the neoliberal Democrat's response to the economic damage done by globalization: put the losers on welfare indefinitely. IMHO, that money should be

    • Qwertious a day ago

      >IMHO, that money should be

      Should be...?

      • tivert a day ago

        >> IMHO, that money should be

        > Should be...?

        Sorry. Should be used to offset any short-term difficulties caused by tariffs, that occur as part of a longer term plan.