Comment by gruez

Comment by gruez 2 days ago

19 replies

The claim isn't that they're "civilian devices", it's that they're "devices all over civilian society". That's relevant because bobby trapping them is liable to cause casualties.

Zironic 2 days ago

It's like cluster bombs and landmines. You have no idea where all these things are. You have no idea how many of them exploded and which didn't and it's extremely hard to clean up the duds.

  • mrguyorama 2 days ago

    And neither are against the laws of war. The US has decided to reduce their usage, but Russia uses air deployed landmines with high dud rates and it is not a war crime.

loeg 2 days ago

Notably, these are not booby traps. (The defining feature of booby traps is that they are triggered by the victim.)

  • chillingeffect 2 days ago

    No. That's one definition, but not the only one.

    • loeg 2 days ago

      I believe you are mistaken. Please find any source that defines it in a way that isn't victim-triggered. Every single one I've checked includes similar language.

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exe34 2 days ago

this was a special shipment created for the terrorists. this isn't just putting a bomb into every pager.

  • gruez 2 days ago

    >this isn't just putting a bomb into every pager.

    I never claimed otherwise. Again, the claim isn't that innocent people are carrying the pagers, is that the pagers are around innocent civilians. It's not any different than drone striking terrorists at weddings[1], which also drew criticism from human rights groups. Even if we assume the targets are definitely terrorists, that doesn't solve the issue of civilians who happen to be nearby.

    [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wech_Baghtu_wedding_party_airs...

    • exe34 2 days ago

      the blast radius is much smaller. from the market video, the people around him were fine, and only the heznobollah guy was considering the impact of terrorism on future generations.

  • freehorse 2 days ago

    Were the kids killed also terrorists?

    • Duwensatzaj 2 days ago

      Any kids killed were accidental as opposed to the Hezbollah rockets shot at northern Israel. When those rockets killed 12 kids playing soccer those deaths were intentional.

    • exe34 2 days ago

      what alternatives would you propose?

      1. heznobollas stop firing rockets into Israel?

      2. Israel sending smart bombs with much higher collateral damage?

      3. an engraved invitation later to members (hehe) of heznobollas to come and be fired upon in an open space to avoid kids?

      4. or are you suggesting instead that Jews should just get used to getting fired upon and let their cities be destroyed because you don't care about Jewish kids getting killed?

      anything I've missed?

  • dtornabene 2 days ago

    How do you know this? you can't know it. You have no idea how many people had these devices.

    • exe34 2 days ago

      it was a shipment of pagers paid for by heznobollas to communicate because they thought mossad was able to listen and track everything else. it was never a general Lebanese market pager that happens to be used by heznobollas occasionally. they bought in bulk and handed them out to their soldiers.

      • dtornabene a day ago

        Cool man, checked in on the story lately? Because literal solar panels are now exploding across Lebanon. I'm sure everyone within 20 yards of them is clearly a terrorist.

        • exe34 a day ago

          you know what? this is brilliant.

          the news that I can find reasonable sources for is that the terrorists stopped using phones because Israel could track them and send spicy suppositories, so they switched to pagers - and the pagers immediately blew off things they were fond of. At this point, they panicked and went to their 2way radios to ask for instructions from their terrorist leadership..... and their f*cking radios blew up.

          I love that now there's completely random stories of things blowing up (which aren't actually happening, otherwise there would be more serious reports and evidence).

          So it sounds like they already have ptsd from evil western infidel technology - it's pretty much biblical in its magnitude - can you really trust that electric toothbrush? what about those hair clippers? those Nike shoes? shoelaces next?

          it sounds like Israel achieved their objective, these people are now reduced to trusting only stone age technology. their attacks on Israel will now be much less organised and easier to defend against.

          it's sad that Israel had to burn this phenomenal trump card, it sounds like they were saving it for a ground invasion?