shmatt 10 months ago

As long as it doesn’t say “made in Hungary”

And on a more serious note. Hizbolla is a blacklisted terrorist org, they can’t just order stuff from regular factories. Buying from an anonymous white label factory in Hungary with no address and little information is probably pretty normal from them - because anyone doing business with them in the EU will go to jail

As long as you’re not buying electronics from shady factories with no known owners you’ll be fine

  • tamimio 10 months ago

    > As long as you’re not buying electronics from shady factories with no known owners you’ll be fine

    For now and to our knowledge so far.

  • fortran77 10 months ago

    Exactly. The EU designates Hezbolla as a terrorist group. It is illegal for EU to sell to them.

this_user 10 months ago

Well, are you a member of a terrorist group? If no, then odds are that nobody is going to go through the trouble of adding explosives to your phone's battery.

In this case the people responsible must have discovered where these terrorists were buying their devices. Since basically no one except for them was buying large quantities of these, they were easy to target.

mrguyorama 10 months ago

Have you angered Mossad? If no, you are almost certainly fine. If yes, you are already dead.

James Mickens explained this clearly a decade ago.

https://www.usenix.org/system/files/1401_08-12_mickens.pdf

You cannot answer any security questions without a threat model. Are you worried about your neighbor putting a bomb in your phone? Mossad isn't putting bombs in random phones.

colechristensen 10 months ago

X-Ray image compared to known X-Ray of the exact same model

Bomb sniffing dog or chemical test of surfaces

  • tptacek 10 months ago

    Allegedly hidden well enough that a casual X-ray of the pager wouldn't have revealed it.

    • colechristensen 10 months ago

      It might have looked like a normal pager under xray, but I bet it looked _different_ than an unmodified pager. Not suspicious on its own but suspicious because it was changed.

    • geysersam 10 months ago

      Interesting that it wasn't discovered by any bomb sniffing dog in Lebanon. They had thousands of devices. There must be at least a few bomb dogs in Lebanon right?

      • mmh0000 10 months ago

        Simply because "bomb" dogs, like "drug" dogs are a scam to give the police a legal excuse to violate your rights. The dogs don't detect bombs/drugs, they detect cues from the controlling officer.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detection_dog#Criticism

          The law was reviewed in 2006 by the New South Wales Ombudsman, who handed down a critical report regarding the use of dogs for drug detection. The report stated that prohibited drugs were found in only 26% of searches following an indication by a drug sniffer dog. Of these, 84% were for small amounts of cannabis deemed for personal use.[27]: 29  Subsequent figures obtained from NSW Police in 2023 revealed that between 1 January 2013 and 30 June 2023, officers had conducted 94,535 personal searches (refers to both strip searches and less invasive frisk or "general" searches) resulting from drug detection dog indications, with only 25% resulting in illicit drugs being found.[28]
      • Zironic 10 months ago

        Bomb sniffing dogs can't detect every explosive compound under the sun. They're trained on some of the most common ones but there are almost infinite variations of explosive chemistries.

      • clueless 10 months ago

        "According to Sky News Arabia; Mossad was able to Inject a Compound of Pentaerythritol Tetranitrate (PETN) into the Batteries of the New Encrypted Pagers that Hezbollah began using around February, before they even arrived in the Hands of Hezbollah Members, allowing them to Remotely Overheat and Detonate the Lithium Battery within the Device."

    • Tiktaalik 10 months ago

      how the hell is anyone going to be able to fly anymore?

      • s1artibartfast 10 months ago

        the idea TSA security has always been a farce, detecting only the crudest methods of attack.

vlovich123 10 months ago

The mechanism of action is unclear at this time. I’ve seen it written that the explosives were part of PCBs with electronics that mimicked the original.

  • colechristensen 10 months ago

    It was an addon board with explosives on it which was attached to the existing normal circuit board.

    • xnx 10 months ago

      Was there enough empty space in the device for this? Were other components removed or miniaturized?

      • colechristensen 10 months ago

        It was a few lines in a news article, so unknown.

        But you can see photos of the same model of pager and it's an LCD screen in a plastic shell, the kind that seems like there would be room on the inside for a little addon board to be attached to the existing board.

tptacek 10 months ago

The supply chain for an iPhone is much stronger than for a Gold Alpha pager, and it's likely that the same thing will end up being true of these ICOM radios: they'll turn out to be designed and branded by ICOM, but actually manufactured and distributed by some random Eastern European outfit that paid to use ICOM as a skinsuit. That would never happen with an Apple device.

  • ianburrell 10 months ago

    It is likely that they were authentic Icom devices. My understanding is that it is common for commercial radios to be programmed by distributor. Or Gold Alpha gave a good deal on pagers and radios and then were intercepted from warehouse.

    I don't think Icom would ever put name on generic radio, they make all their radios in Japan. It is like Toyota putting name on another car.

  • rmbyrro 10 months ago

    > The supply chain for an iPhone is much stronger

    Probably not strong enough to make it unreachable by a sophisticated agency like the Mossad.

    • tptacek 10 months ago

      I think the most likely outcome here is that all these devices were intercepted from the same firm.

    • borski 10 months ago

      With enough time, effort, and money? Sure.

      But that would be many orders of magnitude more difficult that what they pulled off here, which was already very impressively difficult to pull off.

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beeboobaa3 10 months ago

Israel has shown us (again) that we cannot trust any device whose full supply chain hasn't been properly audited. Which you can't really do at this scale.

So yeah, literally anything you buy can apparently just be stuffed full of explosives waiting to kill you and anyone near you.

  • hersko 10 months ago

    Yes. Explosives can be placed in any device that has a small cavity. This has always been true....

tamimio 10 months ago

Replace it.

  • itishappy 10 months ago

    As I understand, Hezbollah reactively replacing their phones was the exact thing that made yesterday's attack possible.

WJW 10 months ago

Imagine if the Russians managed to do something like this in the US...

rasz 10 months ago

Start with "do I work for Terrorist organization?"