minkles 10 months ago

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  • dang 10 months ago

    You started a hellish flamewar with this, even by the standards of this pretty hellish thread. Please don't do that again. Religious flamewar in particular will get you banned here, regardless of which religion you have a problem with.

    We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41581653.

    • minkles 10 months ago

      I certainly didn't intend it turn it into a flamewar. Posting the link was poor judgement on my part. My intent was to outline a particular branch of ideology, not a whole religion.

  • runarberg 10 months ago

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    • minkles 10 months ago

      No, it wouldn't. An interpretation of an ideology is not a race and conflating the two is disingenuous.

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      • mandmandam 10 months ago

        Discriminating against a group of people on the basis of their religion can still be racist.

        There's legal precedent for that in the US, Canada, the UK, France, the European Council on Human Rights, etc... Not Saudi Arabia though. Are you Saudi?

    • mandmandam 10 months ago

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      • sandwichmonger 10 months ago

        I don't see how that's "fucking scary" - the idea that only Arabs can be Muslim is itself racist, is it not?

        It is somewhat understandable why some people associate terrorist attacks with Muslims, as unfortunate as that may be. Not that I'm saying that Muslims commit the most terrorist attacks, it just so happens that the most well known ones in the west happen to have been committed by Islamic extremists. E.g, WTC 93, 9/11, London Bombings, Boston Marathon.

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  • text0404 10 months ago

    why is terrorism most aligned with Islam? isn't it possible to frame any/every religion as "most likely to commit acts of terrorism" based on subjective interpretations of their tenets?

    • t0mas88 10 months ago

      Only in recent times, with IS and similar organizations in the middle east. If you look at different historic periods you'd consider the Christians to be violent terrorists, even invading countries and starting lots of wars.

      • text0404 10 months ago

        then we agree. personally i find the kind of terrorism associated with Christian Nationalism to pose more of an existential threat since i'm in the US and am exposed to a lot of it. despite that, i don't conflate christianity with terrorism.

        the person i responded to thinks that Islam has a causal relationship with terrorism - what about the ideology leads you to believe that, besides the fact that the media you consume reports on it more often?

dtornabene 10 months ago

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  • Duwensatzaj 10 months ago

    Truly disgusting how many people conflate attacking a terrorist organization with minimal civilian casualties with terrorism.

blackhawkC17 10 months ago

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  • tecleandor 10 months ago

    > The death toll rose to 12, including two children, Lebanese Health Minister Firass Abiad said on Wednesday. Tuesday's attack wounded nearly 3,000 people, including many of the militant group's fighters and Iran's envoy to Beirut.

    The cost and years in the making of this through a shell company in Hungary, and also putting a random (and probably innocent) Taiwanese company in the target, for just killing 12 people including two children... Doesn't look like galaxy brain to me either.

    • blackhawkC17 10 months ago

      Killing is not the point. It’s to feed raw terror to terrorists, giving them a nice taste of their own medicine.

blackeyeblitzar 10 months ago

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  • anigbrowl 10 months ago

    No, not really. In contact with, certainly. Hezbollah holds ~12% of seats in the Lebanese parliament and its military wing is arguably as powerful as the Lebanese army. It would be surprising, arguably irresponsible, if cabinet ministers did not have a channel to communicate with them. Every government has back channels, even to straight up enemies. For example:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2008/mar/18/northernire...

  • TMWNN 10 months ago

    >The NYT wrote today that Iran’s ambassador to Lebanon was injured (although this may have been in yesterday’s incident?), which makes it obvious that he works with Hezbollah.

    A joke I saw:

    "Why did the Iranian ambassador have a Hezbollah pager?"

    "Because he left the Hamas pager at home."

  • yoavm 10 months ago

    That indeed happened in yesterday's attack. Not to take away from linking him to Hezbollah, however.

  • rasz 10 months ago

    A lot of "freedom" activists yesterday outed themselves sharing news of their relatives/close friends being injured in an unexplained pager accident.

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kbos87 10 months ago

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  • sam_goody 10 months ago

    Hezbollah Has launched thousands of missiles into civilian populations and has already caused the desertion of over 25% of the livable sections of the country. Lately, their weapons are getting better at avoiding the "Iron Dome"; just last week a missile hit an apartment building. A massive bombing plot was foiled this week. They have been getting more and more aggressive.

    I would think that moves like these, primarily affect fighters, destroy the comms structure which is used to wage war (Hezbollah have their own communications system in addition to Lebanon's), and damage the "Hezbollah Elite" image which causes them to be such a power.

    Would bombing Lebanon be a better than what they have done? I think much worse on all counts.

    I am genuinely curious when I see blanket criticism. How would you respond if you were in Israel's shoes?

  • lupusreal 10 months ago

    Younger Americans are by in large not buying Israel's bullshit. American support for Israel is a generational phenomenon and that support will be aging and dying out of the political process in the next 20 or so years, after that Israel will be on their own to face all the enemies they've made, and that won't end well for them.

    I think this is why they've been so aggressive in recent years. They know their window of opportunity is closing.

    • snakeyjake 10 months ago

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      • jhallenworld 10 months ago

        LGBTQ+ and even women's rights are a recent phenomenon in the west, and still unfolding (and could revert). If you want the less enlightened society to embrace these rights, how do you propose to do it? Take their land? Killing their kids? Open air prison? I don't think these strategies are going to do it..

      • YorickPeterse 10 months ago

        You can call Israel out on its bullshit while also doing the same with Hezbollah and Hamas, it's not mutually exclusive.

      • cornercasechase 10 months ago

        No one wants to holiday in an apartheid state. The younger generations have access to actual footage on the ground in Palestine, they will never support Israel.

jprd 10 months ago

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  • stevenalowe 10 months ago

    No, because IDF soldiers are legitimate military targets in that context.

    • anigbrowl 10 months ago

      If the parties were reversed as described above, I think the Israelis and their allies in the US would unhesitatingly label it terrorism.

    • jprd 10 months ago

      Correct, should they be on a military base without civilians.

      Indiscriminately exploding devices, and accepting the certain civilian collateral damage?

throwbecausebot 10 months ago

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  • lukan 10 months ago

    Because communication still needs to happen?

    • throwbecausebot 10 months ago

      Of course, but not worth it when you know you've been compromised.

      • lukan 10 months ago

        So you would not call an ambulance, when you need one?

icar 10 months ago

A US forum talking about people they pre-consider terrorists of a country they surely can't pin point in a map. What can go wrong...

trallnag 10 months ago

Very impressive. A months long operation culminating in an early new year's eve celebration with a bunch of firecrackers. I guess it's time to go back to pigeons