Comment by raxxorraxor

Comment by raxxorraxor 2 days ago

You are making excuses, Hamas is a fundamentalist group.

We can go back into history on who started the conflict, but even then I come back to the persecutions of Jews that fought for their independence and won. The result of that is the state of Israel. A democracy. Flawed, but in another league than comparable nations in that region.

A victory some are not ready to accept but they ultimately have to. Perhaps after they manage this first step there will be hope for a Palestinian state.

And yes, Israel did leave Gaza in 2005. That there were blockades was due to security concerns, which proved to be justified not only after the October attacks.

> Israel is a sick, apartheid regime that must be stopped.

This is a quote by you in another comment. Together with your excused for Hamas your arguments seem obsessive and misdirected.

GordonS 2 days ago

> Hamas is a fundamentalist group

You've offered no evidence to support this repeated claim, and haven't refuted the evidence to the contrary.

> your arguments seem obsessive and misdirected

Not obsessive, just consistent; I could just as well call you obsessive for your repeated excuses of Israel's destruction of Gaza and their murder, starvation, torture and rape of Palestinians.

You have a very Israeli view on history, and it's obvious neither of us are going to change our standpoint, so I bid you adieu.

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raxxorraxor 2 days ago

How much their charta still is relevant today is in question, but they have direct calls to kill Jews in there. They adapted that from al-Husseini, which stated it exactly like that. That was before the founding of Israel btw.
I don't think I want to indulge in proving Hamas to be an extremist organization any further.

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- aguaviva 2 days ago
  
  How much their charta still is relevant today is in question, but they have direct calls to kill Jews in there.
  Not the 2008 charter. The most anyone can point to is the passage that supposedly calls for the "annihilation" of Israel, but that's very clearly a mistranslation. (The actual phrasing predicts Israel will be "invalidated" by Islam, a lot more like Khrushchev's "We will leave you in the dust").
  
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- GordonS 2 days ago
  
  More lies, and straight out of the Hasbara playbook at that! From the Hamas charter:
  "Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity."[0]
  [0] https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full
  I don't think I want to indulge in proving Israel to be an murderous, colonial, terrorist, apartheid regime any further.
  
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jrochkind1 2 days ago

You are making excuses, Israel is a Jewish supremacist state practicing apartheid and ethnic cleansing. Your arguments seem obsessive and misdirected, and whether intentionally or inadvertently acting as if the situation began on October 7th 2023 which it did not.

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