Comment by dijit

Comment by dijit 2 days ago

Ah, quite right, I mean the EU, apologies.

> As of October 2020, Hezbollah or its military wing are considered terrorist organizations by at least 26 countries, as well as by the European Union and since 2017 by most member states of the Arab League, with the exception of Iraq and Lebanon, where Hezbollah is the most powerful political party.[374]

> The countries that have designated Hezbollah a terrorist organization include: the Gulf Cooperation Council,[375] and their members Saudi Arabia,[376] Bahrain,[377] United Arab Emirates,[376] as well as Argentina,[378] Canada,[379] Colombia,[380] Estonia,[381] Germany,[382] Honduras,[383] Israel,[384] Kosovo,[385] Lithuania,[386] Malaysia,[387] Paraguay,[388] Serbia,[381] Slovenia,[389] United Kingdom,[390] United States,[391] and Guatemala.[392]

umanwizard 2 days ago

The EU doesn’t consider Hezbollah a terrorist organization either — only its military wing. Much like people who considered the Provisional IRA to be terrorists but not Sinn Féin.

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dijit 2 days ago

It's a shame that Hezbollah do not wear uniforms, a war crime[0]; because then it would be clear that these are military officers, and thus terrorists by that definition.
Or is your statement that the people targeted were not military? Or... what's your point with this comment?
[0]: https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule65

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- umanwizard 2 days ago
  
  I didn't have any point other than pointing out that your claims were incorrect.
  Separately, I do think it's funny when people try to justify Israel's actions by reference to international laws or norms, as if Israel cares. They would still have done this even if they were the only country in the world that considered Hezbollah a terrorist organization.
  Just like they're (practically) the only country in the world that considers the Golan Heights or East Jerusalem to be legitimately part of their territory, their occupation of the West Bank to be legal, their permanent air and sea blockade of the Gaza Strip to be legal, and so on. They don't appear to care about international norms at all.
  
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  dijit 2 days ago
  
  It's harder to hold them to account when their combatants aren't held to similar standards.
  It's a very solid defense to say "well, if we're being attacked by a non-military force that breaks the rules, then what choice do we have".
  If they were being attacked by a military force that followed the Geneva conventions it would be easier to drum up anti-Israel support internationally for an intervention.
  So, sorry to say it; but it's a fair criticism to say that one side is even more flagrant of the rules: why should Israel even bother trying to abide them?
  
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- c0nducktr 2 days ago
  
  Pretty bold to cry about war crimes while defending the actions of Israel.
  
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  dijit 2 days ago
  
  Pretty easy though, when Israel is clearly being held to a standard that their combatants aren't.
  I'll tell you now: I'm becoming more radicalised the more I see the absolute state of discourse here; it's not only polarised: it's completely asymmetric.
  It seems that it's not even possible for people to consider that the Islamic side has a part to play in what is happening, and to condemn both parties for the actions that they take, understanding that it's not equivalent in all areas.
  
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