Comment by remram

Comment by remram 10 months ago

30 replies

Whatever words you're reading when you look at mine might be incredible, what I wrote is almost 3000 wounded in the crossfire, including children.

You're ignoring that and pretending they're accused of something else. Why?

whacko_quacko 10 months ago

Almost 3000 wounded are not a problem if they're Hezbollah, no? The child is tragic of course, but one dead child when targeting enemy soldiers is more ethical than the dead children in deliberate attacks on civilians, which is what Hezbollah is doing.

Why are you pretending otherwise? Is it the bigotry of low expectations? Arabs/Muslims can act very reasonable and humane too, so there's no reason to measure them with a different yard stick

  • remram 10 months ago

    > Almost 3000 wounded are not a problem if they're Hezbollah, no

    They are a problem in both cases. Stop the whataboutism.

snovv_crash 10 months ago

Why are you assuming those 2700 people weren't Hezbollah? Who else was carrying the pagers to avoid Israel location tracking?

  • easyThrowaway 10 months ago

    Anyone who got resold / loaned those devices, those who were next to blast radius of those devices while going with their lives, any relatives who were unfortunate enough of having an hezbollah member in their family.

    This is basically just one step above a chemical attack, and can only be excused as "the end justifies the means" by the interested parties.

    • whacko_quacko 10 months ago

      Why would you use 80s technology that allows you to circumvent Israeli tracking, and get that from Hezbollah if you're not in cahoots with them? People in Lebanon can afford smart phones.

      With the people next to the blast radius you have a point, but when targeting guerilla fighters that blend in with civillian populace it's hard to not inadvertantly target innocents too. But a small explosive device that is used by enemy soldiers and kept close to their bodies is the best way to avoid innocent casualties.

      Also, Hezbollah hiding between innocents doesn't mean Israel shouldn't defend themselves. If you hide behind civillians you're the one to blame for casualties, not the party that defends against you

      • easyThrowaway 10 months ago

        I guess you've never been in most of middle east. Pagers, shortwave radios and "80s technology" are still widely deployed among the general population.

        • pvaldes 10 months ago

          Hospitals at least use it extensively still in Europe.

      • 34679 10 months ago

        The NSA fights terrorism. Terrorists use encryption to evade the NSA. That does not mean that everyone who uses encryption is a terrorist.

    • alickz 10 months ago

      > Anyone who got resold / loaned those devices

      Aren't the pagers specifically for transmitting Hezbollah instructions / orders?

      Why would a Hezbollah member sell/loan such a device to a non-Hezbollah member?

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      • easyThrowaway 10 months ago

        Beacuse it's a pager, and they're rather common in most of Egypt, Turkey and middle east countries for medical support and first-time responders.

        I mean, the reason Hezbollah switched to those devices was also because they're readily available in the country.

        I'd be extremely, extremely surprised if this was a "targeted" shipment rather than a generic batch that was expected to a certain degree to be bought by hezbollah members.

  • remram 10 months ago

    Yes I'm assuming not every Lebanese is a terrorist, which seems to be problematic to some. In particular 8-year-old children are probably not.

mupuff1234 10 months ago

I'm confused, how do you know the 99% of those wounded aren't Hezbollah operatives?

How many innocents would get harmed during a more conventional military strike against the same group of operatives?

I would be fairly surprised if Hezbollah opsec guidelines didn't say that you must have the pager at you at all times, and make sure it can't be accessed by others.

  • thret 10 months ago

    This is likely the most precise large scale military strike of all time. You can't control for everything - some pagers might have been in the hands of innocent people - but it sure seems like an ideal attack vector.