Comment by Jerrrrrrry

Comment by Jerrrrrrry 3 days ago

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very good, but I would say (since "light cone" is of such common parlance) that the physical 3d analogous projection would be two slightly overlapping 3d-venn diagram funnels conjoining at an "indefinitely" (asymptotically smaller) small space-time minkowski manifold.

naked singularities themselves, however, do not exist.

pdonis 3 days ago

> the physical 3d analogous projection would be two slightly overlapping 3d-venn diagram funnels conjoining at an "indefinitely" (asymptotically smaller) small space-time minkowski manifold.

I'm not sure what you mean by this, but it doesn't seem to correspond to any actual physical model that I'm aware of.

  • Jerrrrrrry 3 days ago

    both objects have a space cone that is overlapping - since they can observe each other, but also have a small bit they xor can observe, since they are a spatialtime distance apart.

    regardless, once they are inside the event horizon, their spacetime ends in a "singularity" - that only they experience, since everyone else just saw an ever-slowing couple of observers that never quite reached the event horizon (to the outside observer, who would eventually be either iron or protons, depending if God had decided if they protons should decay or not yet)

    i was just pointing out cone versus cylinder, since the black holes' effect is polynomial af

    • pdonis 2 days ago

      > both objects have a space cone that is overlapping

      Again, I don't know what you mean by this, but it doesn't look like any actual physical model that I'm aware of.

      > i was just pointing out cone versus cylinder

      The cylinder I referred to is the outgoing side of the light cones at the horizon. The horizon itself is a lightlike surface. So the distinction you appear to be trying to draw here is simply invalid for a black hole horizon.

      • Jerrrrrrry a day ago

          >space cone
        
          >light cone
        
          cone
        
        outside of an event horizon the 3d projection of a `light cone` (all possible spacetime causality/light/info could observe) would be an omni-directional sphere - your own observable universe, essentially - composed of ever-reddening beam of causality, being drag thru the 4th dimension, time...which results in a cone

        but inside of an event horizon, that cone is actually an ever-narrowing beam in an ever-increasing gravitational field, slowing on the 4-d axis too. all ending in one 'point'.

        my point being that the waist is infinitesimally, but not actually infinitely, small.

          The cylinder I referred to is the outgoing side of the light cones at the horizon. The horizon itself is a lightlike surface. So the distinction you appear to be trying to draw here is simply invalid for a black hole horizon.
        
        hawking radiation evaporates larger black holes more than smaller black holes. even if not the most testable (understatement), 4/3 * pi * r^3 where r gets smaller infinitesimally is a cone when plotted over the 4th dimension.

        outside of the event horizon the "light cone" would "be" a "barely-parallel" "cylinder" yes.

        the universe with all of its forever-unreachable parties outside each others sphere of causality would be like a 4-d porcupine ball.

           but it doesn't look like any actual physical model that I'm aware of.
        
        these aren't exactly intuitive geometries XD