Comment by iam-TJ

Comment by iam-TJ 3 days ago

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This is often due to the total costs being externalised (pushed off to others) and therefore not reflecting the true cost of the replacement nor the costs of (safe) disposal of the old unit.

Externalised costs such as emissions from manufacturing of new raw materials (metals, plastics, gases, etc.), transportation, disposal, and more.

Obviously it depends on what exactly fails. I've kept 'white goods' going for over 20 years despite:

  1) known defect where Hotpoint Fridge/Freezer evaporator thermistor fails due to freeze/defrost thermal cycle. Replaced more than 10 times; cost of new thermistor is pennies; time to replace (after initial explore) 10 minutes.

  2) Freezer control PCB misreading thermistor; replace PCB: UK£35.

  3) LG Washing machine bearing failures; replaced about 6 times; time to replace (after initial explore): 45 minutes.
I think sometimes repair-or-replace depends on one's state of mind. Figuring out what is wrong and how to fix can be frustrating but, equally, it can be extremely satisfying to realise you can do it and are no longer reliant on some mystical "expert" !

Society as a whole in many countries is losing (or has already lost) the ability to be self-reliant and that lack makes people and communities generally more fragile.

Self-reliance is one of the drivers of hackers and tinkerers.

varispeed 3 days ago

I often develop feelings for the products I use (I know...). When I look at dishwasher I reminisce how many moments I had whilst standing next to it tirelessly working through my dirty dishes. I'll give it a tap. Sometimes I talk to it when loading like "Hey there, I got you some new stuff. Don't worry I'll feed you salt at the end of the week. Now I'll do your favourite program". Then once it finishes I say like "Oh what a great work you did there!" and so on. Then when it broke (the motor seized) I just wouldn't have heart to simply dispose of it. I sourced the motor and called in repair guy who installed it. It did cost me in total as much as I would pay for a new dishwasher, but I would never get the sense of feeling that I saved a friend.

  • hyperdimension a day ago

    I am so glad that I'm not the only one. Every time I shut the hood of a car after working on it, I give it a little loving pat-pat.

    I have this inexplicable feeling, contrary to my usually rational self, that machines have a sort of soul and "feel better" when they're taken care of, and I feel like I'm letting it down when I extend an oil change/put off maintenance/don't take care of a problem I'm aware of yet. I don't really believe they have souls or anything; it's just a feeling I get.

    Come to think of it, I do the exact same things with my plants too.

    I can't explain it. I don't name my cars though.

robocat 3 days ago

My economic theory is that the price reflects ecological costs fairly well.

At first glance it might appear that fixing would have a lower environmental cost. But the money spent will be spent by the repairman on things like international travel or whatever - and each of the things the money is spent on have environmental costs and externalities.

  • gessha 3 days ago

    I don’t quite think so. I think we’re in a status quo that prevents/obfuscates a more efficient economic activity because it inflates GDP which makes the politicians and economists happy.

    The magic number won’t go up much if you call somebody and they tell you what you need to do change the PCB and ship you the part(for a small markup price).

gessha 3 days ago

Don’t forget the emission offset credits somebody will pay for to dispose of that refrigerant liquid in the fridge!