Comment by Imnimo

Comment by Imnimo 8 hours ago

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>By contrast, intrinsic mortality stems from processes originating within the body, including genetic mutations, age-related diseases, and the decline of physiological function with age

So we put genetic diseases in the bucket of intrinsic mortality and then found that intrinsic mortality has a heritable component?

derbOac 7 hours ago

Yeah this paper came across to me basically as "if you ignore environmental causes of death, the heritability of death goes up"... which seems kind of circular.

  • cortesoft 6 hours ago

    Not necessarily. It could be the case that randomness plays a huge part in non-environmental caused deaths, and if that were the case we would see very little heritability.

    • trehans 4 hours ago

      But randomness comes from the environment, no?

  • nextos 5 hours ago

    I really like everything Uri Alon (last author) publishes, but these types of studies have a history of inflating genetic contributions to phenotypes. Decoupling genetics from environment is not easy as they are both highly correlated.

    In fact, the article discussion states: "Limitations of this study include reliance on assumptions of the twin design, such as the equal environment assumption". My take on this is that the main result of the article is probably true, but the 50% figure is likely to be inflated.

    • PaulHoule 3 hours ago

      I hit the jackpot with the ultrasound technician who spoke passionately about what she believed about lifestyle risk for cardiovascular conditions and she believed quite strongly that heart disease runs in families more because lifestyle runs in families than because of genetics. She's not at the top of the medical totem pole but I can say she inspired me to take responsibility for my health than the specialist who I talked to about the results.

  • marcosdumay 7 hours ago

    There's no prior reason to expect the cited conditions to have any specific relation to genetics. Any of them could easily be caused or accelerated by environmental conditions.

    And, in fact, it looks like they half-of-are.

  • laughing_man 7 hours ago

    I thought the implication was lifestyle isn't as important as we previously believed.

    • tgv 7 hours ago

      On average! Start drinking a lot and find out.

      • dash2 6 hours ago

        Yeah, it’s important to note that heritability is a statistic about today’s population, not a deep natural parameter that tells you about causality. Heritability of smoking went up when smoking became less socially approved, for example.