Comment by noosphr

Comment by noosphr 5 hours ago

24 replies

Whenever people say that MIT or GPL licenses are a good idea I point out projects like this.

Only humans should have freedom zero. Corporations and robots must pay.

throw0101c 3 hours ago

> Corporations and robots must pay.

Greenpeace is a (non-profit) corporation. Unions are corporations. Municipalities. Colleges and universities.

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_person

Should they have to pay?

  • llbbdd 2 hours ago

    Yes. Non-profits are more than capable of abusing the commons, the purpose of even small monetary requirements is to put a bound on that.

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  • isatty 13 minutes ago

    Yes. Not for profit does not mean they don’t have money.

    With that logic why should non profits have to pay for anything at all?

sixtyj 3 hours ago

The behavior of corporations is shameful.

After all, people in these companies don't work for free and are able to spend a lot of money for other services.

wmf 4 hours ago

You can demand payment but it doesn't mean you'll get paid. These days companies will clone your work instead of paying.

saubeidl 4 hours ago

The GPL is a good idea. It's our socieconomic system that isn't.

  • PunchyHamster 2 hours ago

    GPLv3 is a bit overreaching , especially in patent clauses. The GPL as idea is great but the license needs a little more refining

    The constant fear of lawyers that using some GPL lib will infest entire codebase of their project with GPL is a real problem that stops many corporations from contributing in the first place.

  • aboardRat4 an hour ago

    GPL is a response to the copyright law, which was created for the big corporations to extract rent from ordinary people.

    It's copyright law which should go away.

    • JuniperMesos 7 minutes ago

      Copyright law is hundreds of years old and originally was intended to prevent owner-operators of mechanical printing presses from printing and selling copies of some author's books without paying them or getting permission.

    • satvikpendem 35 minutes ago

      Including the hangups people have about AI training as well.

  • noosphr 3 hours ago

    Everything is a good idea if you assume a world in which it works.

    • fragmede 3 hours ago

      Communism has entered the chat.

      • saubeidl 3 hours ago

        That, for example, would be a better system. One the GPL would work beautifully in.

        • david-gpu 2 hours ago

          If you can't explain why it did not work in the past, and can't explain how & why things will be different this time, you don't have a plan. History is a harsh mistress.

groby_b 5 hours ago

That's a nice slogan, but how does it work?

Say, I clone sudo. Clearly, a human applying freedom zero. I use it in my projects. Probably still freedom zero. I use it in my CI pipeline for the stuff that makes me money... corporation or human? If it's corporation, what if I sponsor a not-for-profit that provides that piece of CI infra?

The problem is that "corporation or not" has more shades than you can reasonably account for. And, worse, the cost of accounting for it is more than any volunteer wants to shoulder.

Even if this were a hard and legally enforceable rule, what individual maintainer wants to sue a company with a legal department?

What could work is a large collective that licenses free software with the explicit goal of extracting money from corporate users and distributing it to authors. Maybe.

  • conception 4 hours ago

    Not for commercial use without buying a license is a pretty standard licensing scheme. This has been worked out for decades.

    • groby_b 4 hours ago

      And the shades in between account for the large number of new licensing schemes sprouting, with different restrictions on what is and isn't possible. (Not to mention the large number of "just used it anyways" instances). And it struggles for smaller utilities, or packages of many different things.

      It's "worked out" in the sense that it still doesn't really work for a lot of maintainers.

    • mulmen 4 hours ago

      What happens when the code is abandoned? Can I make my own changes whenever I want?

      The problem with commercial software is the lock in.