Comment by ZeroGravitas

Comment by ZeroGravitas 16 hours ago

8 replies

It also exists, as described in the headline, as a tank of heated water.

The phase change stuff has positives like taking up less physical space but it's also a much less mature tech than storing hot water.

Nition 5 hours ago

It's funny how useful water is for power generation.

There's heat storage as discussed here.

Or you can store cold water in a reservoir as a giant battery, pumping it up high when you've got excess power, and letting it back down to generate hydroelectricity from it later.

Or you can boil water to make steam that spins a turbine and use it to convert anything that can heat water (coal, oil, nuclear...) to electricity.

  • themafia 3 hours ago

    > It's funny how useful water is for power generation.

    It's gravity that does the generation. Water is convenient because it's weight per unit of volume is very high. Higher than most things we can get our hands on and it's also exceptionally safe.

    Since water isn't perfectly clean the main problem you face is corrosion. Which can take a great system and turn it into a nightmare of buried leaks and sudden problems.

    As far as our options go it _is_ really convenient.

DrScientist 15 hours ago

Indeed.

In the UK there was a unfortunate trend of ripping out these energy storage devices and replacing hot water tanks with on demand electric hot water heating ( only heat the water you need ). And new builds often have no tanks ( as it saves space in the new tiny homes ).

Very short sighted in my view - a very simple way to store energy and everyone uses hot water directly.

  • coryrc 2 hours ago

    They don't work well with heat pumps. Heat pumps lose efficiency as the differential increases, so if you try to store heat in a tank, you quickly drop capacity and efficiency.

    Versus resistance, which is exactly as efficient at 0°C and 1000°C, and why those storage heaters used to make sense.

    (And storage is directly proportional to temperature differential above interior ambient)

  • Xylakant 4 hours ago

    it also reduces peak load - you can heat water up slower with a lower powered heater. I have a 35 liter warm water tank in my garden shed that pulls about 3.5kw - an equivalent on demand heater would need 14kw or more.

  • a_better_world 4 hours ago

    My hot water tank once fell off the wall. On Christmas day. Expensive repair.

    Hot water tank was in the basement, which was not insulated. So the mass of hot water contributed very little as a heat reserve for the house.

    House was in a northern clime.

    • manmal 2 hours ago

      Those are great for buffering only a few hours though. That would help avoid the expensive electricity price peaks.