Comment by amazingman

Comment by amazingman 20 hours ago

11 replies

This is exactly the kind of thing government is for, even though it's missing the other half: subsidies. At the very least buying heat pumps for the next 5 years should be tax deductible. Even better: a $2000 or similar rebate.

lm28469 14 hours ago

> even though it's missing the other half: subsidies

It's a double edged sword. In my country everyone bought pellet stoves because of the subsidies, hundreds of companies popped up, now that the subsidies have been phased out, 90% of the companies went down, with their support and warranties of course. The 10% that managed to survive increased their prices, which is easy to do once 90% of your competitors went bust

People who thought they'd save money by having the government (their taxes really) pay the bill are waking up 5 years later with expensive maintenance, the first units are starting to fail and need to be replaced but they can't afford it without the 50%+ subsidies. Not to mention that the prices pellets goes up and down faster than your average shitcoin.

seiferteric 3 hours ago

The problem is, energy use is only one part of the equation. Often times new appliances that are more efficient end up being more prone to breaking due to more complexity and companies trying to cut costs to meet a price point. This leads to people needing to replace there appliances much more often which really makes me question how much energy is actually saved if you include the energy used to produce them...

rayiner 12 hours ago

The subsidies and rebates are a scam. The installers just jack up the prices until they capture the entire value of the rebate.

  • amazingman 8 hours ago

    This assumes the consumer doesn't know and can't look up the price of the hardware.

    • rayiner 8 hours ago

      The cost of installation vastly exceeds the cost of the hardware. And the installers will only warranty hardware you buy from them.

DangitBobby 20 hours ago

That's probably exactly what will happen.

    Energy property - Heat pumps and biomass stoves and boilers

    Heat pumps that meet or exceed the CEE highest efficiency tier, not including any advanced tier, in effect at the beginning of the year when the property is installed, and biomass stoves and boilers with a thermal efficiency rating of at least 75% qualify for a credit up to $2,000 per year. Costs may include labor for installation.

    Qualified property includes new:

    Electric or natural gas heat pumps
    Electric or natural gas heat pump water heaters
    Biomass stoves and boilers

https://www.irs.gov/credits-deductions/energy-efficient-home...
  • hnburnsy 20 hours ago

    These are credits that only work if you have owe federal taxes and they cannot be carried forward. I've seen estimates that 40-45% of taxpayers owe 0 or close to 0.

    • mrd999 14 hours ago

      Eh? If you have income you owe taxes, Uncle Sam just takes it before you even see it

      • JoblessWonder 3 hours ago

        I think something like 25% of the population reports 0 household income.

        (I don't understand the implications, it was just surprising when I heard that.)