Comment by cucumber3732842

Comment by cucumber3732842 11 hours ago

One year in my city they were installing 4-way stop signs everywhere based on some combination of "best practices" and "screeching Karens". Even the residents don't like them in a lot of places so over time people just turn the posts in the ground or remove them.

Every now and the I'll GPS somewhere and there will be a phatom stop sign in the route and I chuckle to myself because it means the Google car drove through when one of these signs was "fresh".

pixl97 11 hours ago

Screwing with a stop sign because you don't like it is a great way to end up on the wrong end of a huge civil liability lawsuit

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cucumber3732842 10 hours ago

Put down the pearls. It's not me personally doing it.
They never fixed any of them. I don't think the DPW cares. These intersection just turned back into the 2-way stops they had been for decades prior.
Compliance probably technically went up since you no longer have the bulk of the traffic rolling it.

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fragmede 10 hours ago

If you're already commiting crimes, what you seem to be saying is don't get caught.

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digiown 10 hours ago

4-way stops are terrible in general. They train people to think "I stopped, now I can go", which is dangerous when someone confuses a normal stop for a 4-way stop. It also wastes a good bit of energy.

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nunez 2 hours ago

Agreed. Four way stops are infinitely worse than roundabouts or a traffic light.

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c22 10 hours ago

Weird, I was taught that I can only go after yielding to the right.

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- seanmcdirmid 7 hours ago
  
  That isn’t the rule either, I guess parent made their point. The first person who stops goes next, right away only matters if their is ambiguity in who stopped first.
  
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  arcanemachiner 7 hours ago
  
  To your first point, "the rule" is location-dependent. And to your second point, that was obviously (to me, at least) implied.
  
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  seanmcdirmid 5 hours ago
  
  I’ve never seen a four way stop in a region that had traffic on the right can always go regardless of stop time. But I’ve only seen four way stops in a few countries.
  
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  bschwindHN 6 hours ago
  
  > right away
  right of way
  
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  brewtide 6 hours ago
  
  Or maybe they were going right away, taking the initiative and removing the ambiguity from the situation. =)
  
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- james_marks 6 hours ago
  
  The point is, if many 4-way stops don’t have traffic at them, a stop/start becomes a perfunctory, dangerous habit.
  
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XorNot 9 hours ago

4 ways stops should be roundabouts, but the US is allergic to them for some reason.

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- paulclinger 8 hours ago
  
  Roundabouts are great (we just had two complex intersections with traffic lights replaced by roundabouts and the traffic flow is much better), but they take significantly more space than a 4-way stop.
  
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- cucumber3732842 9 hours ago
  
  Roundabouts excel when traffic volumes on the intersecting are comparable. They are crap when traffic volumes are highly disparate
  
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  orwin 6 hours ago
  
  They make people on the main road slow down, which is a feature, not a bug. What you mean is that they're the most efficient at what they do when the traffic is comparable. They only reduce accident at the expense of a slightly lowered throughput if the traffic is highly disparate.
  
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  XorNot 8 hours ago
  
  Right but it's not like a 4 way stop is going to perform better. In the same case you'd expect it to be a 2 way stop.
  
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- seanmcdirmid 7 hours ago
  
  A lot of legacy intersections don’t have space for round abouts even in cites that embrace them.
  
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  masfuerte 7 hours ago
  
  So use a mini roundabout. They are common in the UK. It's just a painted circle with a slight hump, in the middle of a four-way junction. Vehicles can drive over it (and larger ones have to) but it indicates to everyone that they have to give way to traffic from the right and don't have to stop otherwise. They typically aren't big enough for multiple vehicles to be turning a corner at the same time. They fit anywhere.
  
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  seanmcdirmid 5 hours ago
  
  It won’t work for a four way stop with lots of traffic, it will just make things worse actually.
  
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- Mountain_Skies 7 hours ago
  
  Even rural Georgia has double roundabouts now. Not sure why people on the internet can't contain their glee at stating the US is "allergic" to them when the frequency of roundabouts has grown significantly in recent decades.
  
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- kjkjadksj 7 hours ago
  
  Because retrofitting them properly requires emminent domain. The ones they shoehorn onto former four way stops are so useless. They are so tight you still have to face a stop sign vs being able to just seamlessly zipper merge in a proper larger circumference roundabout. When they have room to build out a proper roundabout they are usually OK but that is hard to do outside say new suburban construction due to lack of available land on the right of way.
  
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