Comment by vbezhenar
Whatsapp is considered insecure and banned from use for military in Russia. Telegram, on the other hand, is widely used. Of course that's not something definitive, but just a food for thought.
Whatsapp is considered insecure and banned from use for military in Russia. Telegram, on the other hand, is widely used. Of course that's not something definitive, but just a food for thought.
Yeah Telegram only has 1:1 opt-in E2EE, that you can't use across your devices, so either you or your buddy quickly gets tired of whipping out their phone when they're sitting at their laptop, and just replies you through Telegram's non-E2EE cloud chats, and that's the backdoor. The user activated it. It's "their fault".
I'm not going to promote Telegram, just wanted to highlight that Whatsapp is not considered trustworthy by a geopolitical enemy of US. I don't think that Telegram is bad, and when your life depends on it, you can click "Secret Chat" button, it's not a big deal.
> but just a food for thought.
...that telegram is backdoored by the russians? The implication you're trying to make seems to be that russians must be choosing telegram because it's secure, but are ignoring the possibility that they're choosing telegram because they have access to it. After all, you think they want the possibility of their military scheming against them?
I guess their point was that Russian military doesn‘t care if Russian intelligence reads their messages
I think the point was pretty clear if you are able to consider more than one point of view. People who are highly motivated and for whom it could make a life-or-death difference have considerable technical skills in this area in Russia consider Whatsapp to be insecure and prohibit its use, just as in the US, their counterparts consider telegram to be insecure and prohibit its use.
Perhaps you're simply struggling with the concepts here: would it help you to understand things better to add that russia and the US ban the use of Signal by their militaries and intelligence services?
Did you detect an implication that can't be extrapolated from the text without metacontext and secondary unstated axioms, or is your mind totally blank and baffled at what these data points could indicate?
Telegram which famously didn't have _any_ end to end encryption for ages, and even now only has very limited opt-in "secret chats"?