codexetreme 19 hours ago

Might be a rookie question. But exactly why would chat history not work?

  • ryanscio 19 hours ago

    It would, just not on new devices without moving keys via already-trusted device. This is what WhatsApp presumably does

    • kachapopopow 11 hours ago

      That's the thing, it does not and it has been known that it does not do this. The keys are stored on the server and the server sends them to your device on login. They do have some kind of machine-id encoded in it, but that is just for show.

kachapopopow 11 hours ago

I guess I owe a clarification: Otherwise your message history wouldn't be available the moment you log in with your credentials*.

xvector 19 hours ago

This is a total misunderstanding of how E2EE works.

I need to either enter my password or let the app access my iCloud Keychain to let it derive the backup encryption key.

It's also well known that they worked with the Moxie's team to implement the same E2EE protocol as Signal. So messages are E2EE as well.