Comment by bogwog

Comment by bogwog a day ago

10 replies

> I don't really see how it's possible to mitigate client compromise

Easy: pass laws requiring chat providers to implement interoperability standards so that users can bring their own trusted clients. You're still at risk if your recipient is using a compromised client, but that's a problem that you have the power to solve, and it's much easier to convince someone to switch a secure client if they don't have to worry about losing their contacts.

palata 21 hours ago

> Easy: pass laws requiring chat providers to implement interoperability standards so that users can bring their own trusted clients.

In Europe that's called the Digital Markets Act.

  • digiown 21 hours ago

    That's not permissionless afaik. "Users" can't really do it. It's frustrating that all these legislations appear to view it as a business problem rather than a private individual's right to communicate securely.

    • palata 16 hours ago

      Right, I get what you mean.

      But in a way, I feel like sometimes it makes sense to not completely open everything. Say a messaging app, it makes sense to not just make it free for all. As a company, if I let you interoperate with my servers that I pay and maintain, I guess it makes sense that I may want to check who you are before. I think?

      • digiown 16 hours ago

        We probably can't make it free for all, but for something like a messaging app, we also need to recognize that it isn't optional to function in society. It should be regulated more like a utility:

        - Facebook can still control the identity, but there needs to be a legal recourse for getting banned, and their policies can't discriminate against viewpoints, for example

        - The client specs should be open so that an alternate client can be implemented (sort of like how Telegram is currently)

xvector a day ago

You seem to think the government wants your messages to be private and would "pass laws" to this effect.

Methinks you put far too much faith in the government, at least from my understanding of the history of cybersecurity :)