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Comment by Nextgrid a day ago

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> no european cloud operator able to offer what AWS/GCP/Azure offer

I guess we must be living on different planets. I have recently deployed a Django application for a client of mine on Scaleway (due to an existing partnership we preferred using them over other infrastructure). Scaleway right now (you can signup and check it out) offers:

* container registry - build an push your containers there

* ECS/Fargate equivalent - tell it to run N instances of your aforementioned container

* Managed Postgres & Redis with failover/replication

* VPC - put your managed DBs and containers there so they can talk over a private network

* S3-compatible object storage

What more do you need exactly? That's essentially all I would use from the incumbent cloud providers anyway.

ExoticPearTree a day ago

> What more do you need exactly? That's essentially all I would use from the incumbent cloud providers anyway.

Pub/Sub, Dataflow, CDN, GLB to name a few. I could go on with the list of services currently used by the people that pay to push buttons.

Not to sound offensive, but others have more than a Django app that they need to run.

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  • Nextgrid a day ago

    > I could go on with the list of services currently used by the people that pay to push buttons

    I too can build an engineering playground where every ingress byte traverses as many AWS services as I can find. But if you're building a business application, how many of these do you actually need?

    Once you have the basic primitives you can fill in the gaps yourself if needed. But in the list you provided, Pub/Sub, CDN and GLB is already covered actually.

    I'm sure in due time other services will be covered if there's enough demand, but to claim there is no EU alternative while the basics (app server + DB + S3, aka the most difficult to scale/operate yourself) are covered is a bit misleading I think.

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    • ExoticPearTree a day ago

      > I too can build an engineering playground where every ingress byte traverses as many AWS services as I can find. But if you're building a business application, how many of these do you actually need?

      I gave a real list, and all of them have real reasons for being used. I don't know from where you got the idea that apps are built just by chaining cloud services aimlessly.

      A company has more than one application or need.

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      • Nextgrid a day ago

        My point is that you can go very far and solve real-world problems with the basic primitives alone.

        While I’m sure there are legitimate uses for the services you mentioned, I’ve also witnessed plenty of engineering playgrounds where complexity was a feature and services were used for the sake of it rather than due to a specific need.

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  • _fizz_buzz_ a day ago

    I bet 90% of AWS customers could be served by something like 10% of their services.

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  • jacquesm a day ago

    Having to roll each of those by your lonesome is still preferable over having some asshole cut you off from the services that you pay for on a whim. And that sort of thing is definitely on the table. Trump came within a hair of starting a shooting war with Europe, that sort of thing tends to cause people to re-evaluate their relationships.

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