Comment by dissent

Comment by dissent 3 days ago

I kind of don't really care, as long as I get good service if my car is affected. I'm not defending them here. The next few years will tell if it was a bad buy or not. So far I'm really happy with it.

My point was there's a huge anti-Tesla bias entirely as a reaction to Elon Musk. It's emotional, not rational. It's not objective criticism of Tesla. Sure, there are some awful moves he's made, vision only, FSD claims, but if it was another car company it wouldn't even be on HN. Wasn't so long ago that VW (a manufacturer literally started by the Nazis by the way!) were caught falsifying their emissions.

whynotmaybe 3 days ago

Outside of the personal opinions of Musk, what is the most annoying for me is the constant false promises.

They sell cars based on promises that a missing function will work in a few months/years and that your car will be compatible.

With the years of feedback we have now, we know that those were not promises but lies.

Other brands sell as-is cars, without empty promises. (outside the stupid "perfect outback trip" in every SUV/pickup ad)

I now see Musk as a con man, a very smart con man with a lot of money, not a visionary.

Yes there is dieselgate and yes, every car manufacturer tries to circumvent the system to improve profit. (Every includes also Tesla)

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dissent 3 days ago

Thanks for the thoughtful response. You know what, I do feel a bit conned by this vision only implementation. It wasn't obvious when we test drove it, and they didn't mention it. When we picked the car up, on the shop floor, before it had even moved we saw the "Park Assist Degraded" warning and questioned it. They assured us it just needed time to calibrate. It has never gone away. It will never go away.
As a consumer, I'm pissed off. I do feel conned.
But I'm fine explaining Musk's promises away as hubris. He made promises he should not have, and couldn't keep. He shouldn't have done it, but I do think he believed it. I don't think it was an intent to mislead. Incompetence before malice and so on.
He deserves credit where credit is due. He did push us into the EV era.

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- tzs 2 days ago
  
  > He deserves credit where credit is due. He did push us into the EV era.
  Nissan should get some credit, too. Tesla started production on the Roadster in 2008, which beat Nissan's Leaf which started in 2010, but the Leaf sold much better.
  Tesla only made about 2500 before it was discontinued and the Model S was release.
  Nissan sold 20 000 Leafs in its first year. It was the first mass produced EV.
  It took until early 2020 for Tesla cumulative sales to pass Leaf cumulative sales.
  
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- whynotmaybe 3 days ago
  
  >He did push us into the EV era.
  Yes, definitely and a lot of people (me included) where eyeing Tesla cars until the cybertruck/politics debacle.
  >Incompetence before malice and so on.
  At first, maybe, the Tesla 3 was announced for 30k$ and had a starting price of 35K$, acceptable. But the cybertruck announced at 40K$ sold at 60K$, less so.
  >As a consumer, I'm pissed off. I do feel conned.
  I can easily imagine that, I'm not a costumer and I feel conned.
  
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zombot 3 days ago

And now the US has its own car manufacturer literally started by a Nazi. If you dislike Nazis, is that rational or emotional?

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dissent 3 days ago

I actually don't really care if he's a nice person or not, just like I don't care who the CEO of other car makers are. But for the record I think it's pretty silly to call him a Nazi.

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- Lord-Jobo 3 days ago
  
  How many Sieg Heils do you have to do consecutively before it’s NOT silly to be called a nazi? In your opinion
  
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  dissent 3 days ago
  
  I saw more of an awkward guy doing a weird gesture, either because he was trying to be edgy, or he meant it as something else. He might even have done it as an ill advised joke because people were already calling him one.
  It's silly to call him a nazi because he doesn't fit the profile well at all. It only works if you redefine nazi to be whatever you don't agree with at the moment. This might even be harmful, as it's an obvious strawman that provides cover for his real faults.
  He denies being a nazi. We can take his word on that. One thing about nazis is they are weren't shy about their beliefs.
  
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