Comment by reader9274

Comment by reader9274 2 days ago

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I built one from discrete transistors in a lab class in college, on a breadboard. Fun times debugging and getting it to work. Then I flashed an led with it right next to another led flashed from a 555 chip. With the same discrete timer caps, the flashing frequencies were different due to the extra parasitics in the breadboard discrete 555 version. So had to compensate the caps to make the flashes match each other's frequency.

jacquesm 2 days ago

That's a great exercise. The hard part is always that in chips you can pull stuff that is rather tricky discretely, for instance, a multi-emitter transistor. So you can't always do a 1:1 conversion but for a 555 it is still doable.

I saw this a while ago:

https://www.instructables.com/Designing-a-555-Timer-on-Discr...

  • direwolf20 2 days ago

    Only because odd components aren't marketable. There used to be 4-terminal MOSFETs, they weren't sold after ICs became normal. Never heard of a multi emitter transistor being sold discretely but it's possible.

    • squarefoot 2 days ago

      Dual gate mosfets were a godsend when building RF/IF mixers or preamps. Luckily I have a small stash as they're almost unobtanium and costly these days, but for most uses such as mixers and preamps they can be swapped with a pair or normal jfets in a cascode configuration like this one: https://i.stack.imgur.com/6Nyhg.gif

      • Zardoz84 2 days ago

        Omg... and thinking that my mother throws a huge stash of components like that. my father was an electrical engineer and ham radio. At least, I managed to save a stash of electronic valves and some analog equipment like an old oscilloscope that could be in a museum (I saw a similar model in a museum).

      • analog31 2 days ago

        Coincidentally, there were vacuum tubes with dual grids for mixer and AGC applications.

        • buescher 2 days ago

          And there's someone with a stash of those too. Dual-gate mosfets are one of the ways you know something's been in the back catalog way too long.

      • jacquesm 2 days ago

        > Dual gate mosfets were a godsend when building RF/IF mixers or preamps.

        exactly :)

        BF901 FTW.

    • jacquesm 2 days ago

      I use dual gate FETs frequently for all kinds of tricks and they're super useful.

      Is that what you had in mind?

morninglight 2 days ago

Real men use Unijunction Transistors like the 2N2646.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unijunction_transistor

  • buescher 2 days ago

    One of the books I first tried to learn from was _Miniature Projects for Electronic Hobbyists_ by one Ken W. Sessions. It was really a unijunction transistor project book. You know how some people will say you'll learn maybe not the best mental models for electronics from Forrest Mims' books? (I don't get it, they seem OK to me) Well, Forrest has nothing on Ken W. Sessions. The circuits worked, though.