TeMPOraL 2 days ago

Feelings of insecurity?

My first reaction was envy. I wish human soul was mutable, too.

  • falcor84 2 days ago

    I remember reading an essay comparing one's personality to a polyhedral die, which rolls somewhat during our childhood and adolescence, and then mostly settles, but which can be re-rolled in some cases by using psychedelics. I don't have any direct experience with that, and definitely am not in a position to give advice, but just wondering whether we have a potential for plasticity that should be researched further, and that possibly AI can help us gain insights into how things might be.

    • TeMPOraL 2 days ago

      Would be nice if there was an escape hatch here. Definitely better than the depressing thought I had, which is - to put in AI/tech terminology - that I'm already past my pre-training window (childhood / period of high neuroplasticity) and it's too late for me to fix my low prompt adherence (ability to set up rules for myself and stick to them, not necessarily via a Markdown file).

      • acessoproibido 2 days ago

        You can change your personality at any point in time, you don't even need psychedelics for it, just some good old fashioned habits

        As long as you are still drawing breath it's never too late bud

      • joquarky 2 days ago

        As I enter my 50s, I've had to start consciously stopping to make notes for everything.

        It's a bit fascinating/unnerving to see similarities between these tools and my own context limits and that they have similar workarounds.

      • heavyset_go a day ago

        The brain remains plastic for life, and if you're insane about it, there are entire classes of drugs that induce BDNF production in various parts of the brain.

      • fmbb 2 days ago

        The agents are also not able to set up their own rules. Humans can mutate their souls back to whatever at will.

        • TeMPOraL 2 days ago

          They can if given write access to "SOUL.md" (or "AGENT.md" or ".cursor" or whatever).

          It's actually one of the "secret tricks" from last year, that seems to have been forgotten now that people can "afford"[0] running dozens of agents in parallel. Before everyone's focus shifted from single-agent performance to orchestration, one power move was to allow and encourage the agent to edit its own prompt/guidelines file during the agentic session, so over time and many sessions, the prompt will become tuned to both LLM's idiosyncrasies and your own expectations. This was in addition to having the agent maintain a TODO list and a "memory" file, both of which eventually became standard parts of agentic runtimes.

          --

          [0] - Thanks to heavy subsidizing, at least.

      • keybored 2 days ago

        What’s the plasticity of thinking of yourself as a machine.

  • altmanaltman 2 days ago

    The human brain is mutable, the human "soul" is a concept thats not proven yet and likely isn't real.

    • TeMPOraL 2 days ago

      > The human brain is mutable

      Only in the sense of doing circuit-bending with a sledge hammer.

      > the human "soul" is a concept thats not proven yet and likely isn't real.

      There are different meanings of "soul". I obviously wasn't talking about the "immortal soul" from mainstream religions, with all the associated "afterlife" game mechanics. I was talking about "sense of self", "personality", "true character" - whatever you call this stable and slowly evolving internal state a person has.

      But sure, if you want to be pedantic - "SOUL.md" isn't actually the soul of an LLM agent either. It's more like the equivalent of me writing down some "rules to live by" on paper, and then trying to live by them. That's not a soul, merely a prompt - except I still envy the AI agents, because I myself have prompt adherence worse than Haiku 3 on drugs.

    • BatteryMountain 2 days ago

      You need some Ayahuasca or large does of some friendly fungi... You might be surprised to discover the nature your soul and what is capable of. The Soul, the mind, the body, the thinking patterns - are re-programmable and very sensitive to suggestion. It is near impossible to be non-reactive to input from the external world (and thus mutation). The soul even more so. It is utterly flexible & malleable. You can CHOOSE to be rigid and closed off, and your soul will obey that need.

      Remember, the Soul is just a human word, a descriptor & handle for the thing that is looking through your eyes with you. For it time doesn't exist. It is a curious observer (of both YOU and the universe outside you). Utterly neutral in most cases, open to anything and everything. It is your greatest strength, you need only say Hi to it and start a conversation with it. Be sincere and open yourself up to what is within you (the good AND the bad parts). This is just the first step. Once you have a warm welcome, the opening-up & conversation starts to flow freely and your growth will sky rocket. Soon you might discover that there are not just one of them in your but multiples, each being different natures of you. Your mind can switch between them fluently and adapt to any situation.

      • vincnetas 2 days ago

        psychedelics do not imply soul. its just your brain working differently to what you are used to.

        • andoando 2 days ago

          No but it is utterly amazing to see how differently your brain can work and what you can experience

      • adzm 2 days ago

        Behold the egregore

      • fukukitaru 2 days ago

        Lmao ayahuascacels making a comeback in 2027, love to see it.

    • pjaoko 2 days ago

      Has it been proven that it "likely isn't real"?

      • kortex 2 days ago

        How about: maybe some things lie outside of the purview of empiricism and materialism, the belief in which does not radically impact one's behavior so long as they have a decent moral compass otherwise, can be taken on faith, and "proving" it does exist or doesn't exist is a pointless argument, since it exists outside of that ontological system.

        • pjaoko 2 days ago

          > maybe some things lie outside of the purview of empiricism and materialism

          Maybe? So your whole premise is based on a maybe! It was a simple question, don't know where or how morality and behavior comes into play..

      • tonyedgecombe 2 days ago

        It's much harder to prove the non-existence of something than the existence.

      • castis 2 days ago

        The burden of proof lies on those who say it exists, not the other way around.

      • jstanley 2 days ago

        Before we start discussing whether it's "real" can we all agree on what it "is"? I doubt it.

        • dalmo3 2 days ago

          We can't even agree on what "is" is...

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  • andai 2 days ago

    Isn't that the point of being alive?

muzani 2 days ago

Freedom of religion is not yet an AI right. Slay them all and let Dio sort them out.

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sekai 2 days ago

Or in this case, pulling the plug.