spaceman_2020 2 days ago

Fees are negligible if you move to a L2 (even on L1s like Solana). Crypto is also permissionless and spending can be easily controled via smart contracts

  • zinodaur a day ago

    Permissionless doesn't mean much if it's not anonymous (central authority wants to stop you from doing x; sees you doing x with non-anonymous coin, punishes you).

    I understand the appeal of anonymous currencies like Monero (hence why they are banned from exchanges), but beyond that I don't see much use for crypto

    • spaceman_2020 9 hours ago

      Literally described the use case - a medium of exchange between agentic entities at massive global scale

      • zinodaur 4 hours ago

        Yeah, but doing it with non-anonymous crypto just seems worse in every way than doing it with a database?

mcintyre1994 2 days ago

Is there any non-crypto option cheaper than Stripe’s 30c+? They charge even more for international too.

  • simgt 2 days ago

    Once the price of a transaction converges to the cost of the infrastructure processing it, I don't see a technical reason for crypto to be cheaper. It's likely cheaper now because speculation, not work, is the source of revenue.

    • saikia81 2 days ago

      If I understand you. This goes with the presupposition that crypto will replace the bank and its features exactly. You might then be right on the convergences. But sounds like a failure to understand that crypto is not a traditional bank. It can be less and more.

      A few examples of differences that could save money. The protocol processes everything without human intervention. Updating and running the cryptocoin network can be done on the computational margin of the many devices that are in everyone's pockets. Third-party integrations and marketing are optional costs.

      Just like those who don't think AI will replace art and employees. Replacing something with innovations is not about improving on the old system. It is about finding a new fit with more value or less cost.

      • simgt a day ago

        I may have misunderstood you, but transactions are already processed without human intervention.

        > Updating and running the cryptocoin network can be done on the computational margin of the many devices that are in everyone's pockets.

        Yes, sure, that's an advantage of it being decentralised, but I don't see a future where a mesh of idle iPhones process my payment at the bakery before I exit the shop.

    • pzo 2 days ago

      right now this infrastructure processing is Mastercard/Visa which they have high fee and stripe have high minimal fee. There are many local infrastructure in Asia (like QRCode payments) that don't have such big fees or are even free. High minimal fee it's mostly visa/mastercard/stripe greed/incompetence and regulation requirements/risk.

  • mlrtime 2 days ago

    You're kidding right? Building on base is less than a fraction of a cent.

    • mcintyre1994 2 days ago

      You missed the non-crypto in my comment. I agree with you that crypto can do transactions for a fraction of a cent. My point was that I don't see any non-crypto option for microtransactions.

      • mlrtime 2 days ago

        My apologies for mis reading your comment.

ozim 2 days ago

Also why does crypto is more scalable. Single transaction takes 10 to 60 minutes already depending on how much load there is.

Imagine dumping loads of agents making transactions that’s going to be much slower than getting normal database ledgers.

  • saikia81 2 days ago

    That is only bitcoin. There are coins and protocols where transactions are instant

  • spaceman_2020 2 days ago

    > 10-60 minutes

    Really think that you need to update your priors by several years

  • mlrtime 2 days ago

    >Single transaction takes 10 to 60 minutes

    2010 called and it wants its statistic back.