Comment by jodrellblank

> "calling for bootstraps to solve depression et al. is wild to see. So many anecdotes and grand statements saying that it’s all nonsense."

That's not what I was doing in my other comments that you replied to. If you have a knot, and imagine all the possible things you can do with your hands and body and tools in the universe and notice that to a first approximation none of them will untie the knot. Not hitting it with a spoon, not stroking your chin, not jazz hands, way more than 99.999% of possible movements will not untie it. Some of the things which won't work also include pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, "not being weak", "toughing it out". "just get over it". All those are no more effective than any other of the 99.999...% of things which won't work.

The things which will work are in a tiny space of things involving fingernails, needles, knot-eye-hand-feedback-loop and some understanding of rope and tangles. Or fire.

Just because fire will have a useful effect doesn't mean the knot is caused by an imbalance of fire and so you should keep burning your fingers for the rest of your life as "the cure" for knots. The way to untangle a knot is to develop the focused, pointed, targeted skills of untangling knots. And (I argue) the way to untangle negative thoughts is not by powering through them, toughing them out, positive mental attitude, fortitude, being strong, manifestation, dreaming big, just getting over it, or crowbarring your mood up with sledgehammer drugs to an 80-billion neuron network for the rest of your life, or anything else of the millions of other concepts one could do or imagine doing - except the focused, pointed, feedback-loop skills of untangling negative thoughts wielded by a particularly good therapist or by yourself.

Whether you develop such a thing by therapy training, meditation, prayer, Stoicism, biofeedback systems, luck, intuition... I suspect there are multiple ways which are effective that can be developed through multiple approaches, but not many. And "I tried thinking my bad thoughts away and it didn't work so it must be genetic" is not one of them.