Comment by mikepurvis

Comment by mikepurvis 3 days ago

8 replies

They're safer specifically for vehicles, as they convert many conflicts that would be t-bones (worst for passengers) into getting rear-ended (maximum crumple zone on both vehicles).

Roundabouts are worse for land use though, which impacts walkability, and the safety story for pedestrians and bike users with them is decidedly not great as well.

Mawr 2 days ago

> and the safety story for pedestrians and bike users with them is decidedly not great as well.

The what now? Seriously, what in the world are you talking about? Roundabouts are heaven. They physically force drivers to slow down when approaching or leaving them, creating a safe environment for pedestrians and cyclists.

For example, there's no such thing as "running a red light at full speed" at a roundabout, no speeding up to "make the light", etc.

For cyclists specifically, they're amazing, because they eliminate the deadly left-turns. Every turn is a right turn, which is super safe.

  • baud147258 2 days ago

    As a cyclist, I'm not a big fan of roundabouts, because I'm always worried I'll get hit on the side by a car entering/leaving the roundabout whenever I don't take the first exit, mostly because I feel like I have less visibility in the direction from which the car might come from, compared to a standard crossing.

    Though I've never been in an accident either on a crossing or roundabout, so I can't really judge how true my impression is.

Twirrim 3 days ago

>Roundabouts are worse for land use though, which impacts walkability, and the safety story for pedestrians and bike users with them is decidedly not great as well.

They're much safer for pedestrians than intersections. You're only crossing and dealing with traffic coming from one direction, stopping at a median, and then crossing further over.

Unlike trying to navigate a crosswalk where you have to play guessing games as to which direction some vehicle is going to come at you from while ignoring the lights (people do the stupidest things, and roundabouts are a physical barrier that prevents a bunch of that)

  • mikepurvis 3 days ago

    In Waterloo Region I used to cycle through multiple intersections that were "upgraded" some years ago from conventional stoplights to roundabouts and imo it was a huge downgrade to my sense of safety. I went from having a clear right of way (hand signal, cross in the crosswalk) to feeling completely invisible to cars, essentially dashing across the road in the gaps in traffic as if I was jaywalking.

    I could handle it as an adult just walking my bike but it would be a nightmare for someone pushing a stroller or dependent on a mobility device.

    • tgsovlerkhgsel 2 days ago

      Roundabouts are relatively "busy"/"complicated" situations, so I suspect many drivers have less attention left over to check for pedestrians.

      IMO you are absolutely playing frogger with the gaps in the traffic.

  • youngtaff 2 days ago

    To an extent… drivers tend to accelerate when leaving roundabouts which can make crossing difficult for pedestrians

    • Orygin 2 days ago

      Especially bad when crossings are like 30cm from the roundabout. Some are better with at least one car's length between the two.

      Otherwise you either risk getting run over by a car exiting the roundabout without seeing you; or getting run over by the car that stopped, but was rear-ended by another inside the roundabout.

  • kortilla 3 days ago

    >from one direction, stopping at a median, and then crossing further over.

    This assumes a median, which is not present at most smaller roundabouts in the US.