Comment by tansey

Comment by tansey 3 days ago

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For all the folks complaining about "it's only in mice! things never work in humans!" -- I work at MSK and we definitely have seen success treating PDAC in humans: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06063-y

"Why don't I see these treatments hitting the general public?" Because trials like these are phase I/II. Then you need a phase III that takes a long time to recruit a large cohort and has overall survival as an end point so you need a long time to measure the actual outcome you care about. And most trials fail in phase III because the surrogate end points used in phase II studies, like progression free survival (ie how long did patients go before their disease advanced in screens), are not necessarily great predictors of improved overall survival.

Specifically for cancer vaccines, this paper was a driving force behind MSK establishing a cancer vaccine center to scale up these personalized neoantigen mRNA vaccines. It's very very difficult to do and extremely expensive right now.

fragmede 3 days ago

How expensive? Let's say you're Bill Gates or, say, Steve Jobs. What would it cost for someone with their wealth to get that shot?

  • tansey 3 days ago

    Somewhere between $500K and $2M for an mRNA vax is my guesstimate. You don't have to hypothesize about what the rich might do, though. The co-founder of GitLab was diagnosed with osteosarcoma a few years ago. He relapsed, leaving him without any standard of care treatments. He's spent the last couple of years throwing loads of time, effort, and of course money at lots of experimental treatments: https://osteosarc.com/ -- even released all the data gathered on his tumor over timepoints.

jjtheblunt 3 days ago

What's MSK?

  • anonnon 3 days ago

    Memorial Sloan Kettering, one of the NCI(National Cancer Institute)-Designated Cancer Centers. If you're getting treated for cancer, the NCI-Designated Cancer Centers are usually your best bet.

  • packetslave 3 days ago

    right-click, search Google: "MSK most commonly refers to Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center, a world-renowned institution for cancer treatment and research"

    • whizzter 3 days ago

      The first co-author of the linked paper is also associated with MSKCC.

    • jjtheblunt 2 days ago

      cool...so random i hadn't thought to right click, but thanks because while right under my nose and overlooked, it's useful to know now!