Comment by nailer

Comment by nailer 3 days ago

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Because it's hard and Tesla think they can do it.

See 'reusable rockets' and 'having paralysed people control things with their minds' for other examples.

HN often seem to think there's Elon fans downmodding things but it seems more like a case of irrational hatred.

perardi 3 days ago

Oh, well let me get in my sub-$30,000 Model S, with a swappable battery and full-self-driving capabilities, and take a fully automated trip to the Hyperloop downtown so I can catch a quick ride out to O’Hare so I can fly out to watch a successful Starship launch…

…oh wait. I can’t. Because for all his successes, Musk has also sowed quite a lot of bullshit that has gone precisely nowhere.

  • NetMageSCW 3 days ago

    Just like to point out Hyperloop wasn’t intended for local transportation and isn’t a Musk company, just some BOE speculation (BON?) that others have pursued.

  • vel0city 3 days ago

    > so I can fly out to watch a successful Starship launch

    Not just watch a launch, but go to O'Hare to launch and go to Sydney in ~30min. In September 2017 they said we'd be flying Earth-to-Earth on a BFR last year.

    • nailer 3 days ago

      Technology sometimes takes longer than estimates.

      • perardi 3 days ago

        And in Musk’s case, “longer” means “abandoned”. Like the cheap model 3. Or the Hyperloop. Or swappable batteries. Or X as an everything app that includes banking.

Qwertious 3 days ago

More examples, please! Reusable rockets is the load-bearing example, I don't think that argument works without it. You could maybe squeeze in "he kickstarted the EV market".

  • _Tev 21 hours ago

    Starlink was also ridiculed. "Some upstart beating industry veteran at crewed spaceflight" was also treated as a ridiculous idea (see extra funding Boeing was able to extract from congress).

    But all those massive successes are SpaceX . . .

  • scottyah 3 days ago

    maybe? Tesla is the biggest reason there are any electric vehicles on the road today, I haven't heard of anyone (knowledgeable) who has even hinted otherwise. I can understand not liking Elon, but trashing the companies he's formed and the marvels they've created is just proof you don't value a truthful understanding of the world.

    • jfoster 3 days ago

      I agree with you, but I find it interesting that BYD got started around the same time as Tesla. They took quite different paths to international distribution.

    • habinero 2 days ago

      Elon bought Tesla, he didn't start it.

      • scottyah 2 days ago

        I guess that may be technically correct, but that's really just a anti-elon reddit type comment you're parroting. There were like four people and him "buying it" was just investing way more money in than anyone else wanted to.

Fischgericht 3 days ago

'having paralysed people control things with their minds' would be great if you guys had a healthcare system that would pay for it.

FireBeyond 3 days ago

To be clear, Neuralink has shown some promising signs. Has also shown some terrible signs.

And then I don't know if Musk is oversimplifying for a soundbite or more of his Dunning Kruger, but some of the descriptions seem to lack any knowledge of neurology. He describes a universal chip that will do different things and solve different issues depending on what part of the brain it's implanted in. That's not how it works at all.

MBCook 3 days ago

So?

They could make the first working flying cars. They could work fantastically.

And maybe one they release them we find out… no one wants flying cars. They sell 500 a year despite only costing as much as a normal car.

Just because you can figure out how to do something doesn’t mean you’re going to make money at it.

  • nailer 3 days ago

    Are you saying SpaceX doesn't make money? I have no idea about Neuralink but the first sounds pretty odd.

    • MBCook 3 days ago

      Where did I say that?

      I was using the classic idea of the flying car as an example of a thing that has been out of reach as an as a product for normal people and may not actually be successful if it were to really be sold.

      Replace flying car with whatever example you want.

      To put it in a different way, you could be so busy figuring out how to do it that you don’t figure out that a business case doesn’t actually exist.

      I wasn’t trying to comment on any of Musk‘s other companies specifically. Only that we don’t know if making robots will actually make money.

      • nailer 3 days ago

        > > Are you saying SpaceX doesn't make money?

        > Where did I say that?

        > > > Just because you can figure out how to do something doesn’t mean you’re going to make money at it.

        • MBCook 3 days ago

          Oh come on. Lots of successful companies are based on something they figured out how to do that others hadn’t.

          I really was not trying to slam his other companies.

          I think you’re reading too much into this. Making humanoid robots is not a guaranteed path to riches. That’s all I’m trying to say.