Comment by browningstreet

Comment by browningstreet 3 days ago

Chrome, Windows and Lenovo don't have the payment system baked in, with all the consumer protections that come with it.

I'm not entirely pro-Apple percentage in this argument, but I think people often dismiss the magical thing that Apple created with the app store and their payment/subscription system. The rest of the world keeps ripping users off, and Apple's walled garden is as protected a thing as it gets.

I've gone directly to my bank for subscription charges billed directly to my credit card and they wouldn't reverse or stop them. Cancelling and reversing on the App Store is basic, easy, and friction-free.

Plus, the Android environment doesn't yield nearly the same sales volume even with significantly more installed units.

People spend on iOS and they don't spend on other platforms.

30% hurts and it sucks, but.. Patreon will probably take it because they'll do the math and it won't come out in favor of the alternative. That's what really sucks, beyond Apple max-max-maxing this.

fauigerzigerk 3 days ago

>The rest of the world keeps ripping users off, and Apple's walled garden is as protected a thing as it gets.

This keeps getting repeated but it's not actually my experience. Not even Apple believes it, otherwise they could avoid a lot of legal and regulatory trouble by giving users a choice: Pay through Apple for an extra 30% protection fee.

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mrguyorama 3 days ago

Apple's walled garden couldn't even protect it's users from a literal LastPass scam app. It was reviewed by Apple. It passed. It was in the store.

The screenshots for the app had "Documets" and "Lasspass" prominently visible

Nothing about this is for your sake.

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anigbrowl 3 days ago

I had a Patreon subscription I forgot about. I went to Patreon and ended it. It took about a minute, including filling out the feedback form about why I was quitting.

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realusername 3 days ago

They can offer to cancel or reverse subscriptions because you paid 5x that subscription amount just in fees.

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Matl 3 days ago

> Chrome, Windows and Lenovo don't have the payment system baked in, with all the consumer protections that come with it.

Chrome definitely does, at least to a degree.

But you have the option to not use it, because guess what? You're supposed to own the device.

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browningstreet 3 days ago

Chrome doesn't do this, Chrome has a wallet and you're still stuck talking to your credit card company.
It looks like you may have edited your comment, but the issues of Apple's app store payment percentage, the open/closed nature of their appstore, and the ability to sideload apps are 3 separate issues.

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- Matl 2 days ago
  
  I don't think I edited my comment...
  > you're still stuck talking to your credit card company
  AFAIK Apple still talks to it too, they just have a deeper/better experience on the platforms they own and provide a service where they can generate a virtual card for you, so you're shielded from the merchant, but not from your card issuer.
  > Apple's app store payment percentage, the open/closed nature of their appstore, and the ability to sideload apps are 3 separate issues
  Yes and no, because Apple wants to use the closed nature of their ecosystem to offer their solution as the only possible one, yet at the same time claim that they deserve their 30% cut because it's the best solution out there and they provide so much value.
  
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  browningstreet 2 days ago
  
  > I don't think I edited my comment...
  It might've been HN weirdness. I was getting the one sentence in one view and the whole message in the other view. Re-loading didn't get them consistent. Hmm.
  
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sroussey 3 days ago

The cost side of that protection is < 0.1% not 30%.

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vel0city 3 days ago

Chrome and Windows definitely do have payment systems baked in. Google Pay, the Microsoft Store, etc.

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hermanzegerman 3 days ago

I can cancel easily my subscriptions ik PayPal with ohne click, without them taking 30%

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