ben_w 3 days ago

They can make great phones and still be spying on the user and everyone near them.

They wouldn't be good for intel gathering (either deliberate or incidental, c.f. FitBit or whatever leaking some US military info because of all the soldiers tracking themselves) if they weren't also just straight up good products.

This lack of exclusivity between "quality" and "spying" is also why I found it hard to trust US products even before Trump 2.

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  • KomoD 3 days ago

    > They can make great phones and still be spying on the user and everyone near them.

    All of them spy on me so it makes no real difference to me.

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    • ben_w a day ago

      I get what you mean.

      I guess it comes down to "does the government that is spying on me, want me to succeed in general or fail in general?"

      As a British citizen living in Berlin, running US software on Chinese hardware (iPhone? Made in China; Kindle? Made in China; MacBook Pro? Made in China; random torches? Made in China; PV? Made in China), it's kinda hard for me to guess who is doing what spying and what they care about with that spying.

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