Comment by protocolture 4 days ago
Theres a scale involved.
You can support deportation without being a trump supporter.
But if you willfully ignore the scale, the lack of due process, and try and make it binary deportation/open borders, the Trumpometer starts reading stratospheric.
>The scale is a temporary correction measure due lack of enforcement in previous years.
This at minimum shows trust in Trump that the implementation is temporary.
>This is hardly US-specific, most non-western countries are much much harder on illegal immigration.
Bit of an odd duck. I would say that what the US lacks, is what Australia introduced in the 2000's, Temporary Protection Visas. The issue was that we had a bunch of asylum seekers without status filling up camps and generally being hunted down by feds. But the solution wasnt like, judge dredd ultra violence, we just created a class of visa to cover the situation. People left camps and joined society in an orderly fashion until the Visa expired or their eligibility for another class of Visa was determined. Then we cracked down on people who could not obtain those visas. Almost every crackdown that came after the introduction of TPVs needs to be viewed in that light. Like yes, we have offshore camps for asylum seekers, but the courts keep forcing a number of those people to be admitted on various grounds often netting TPVs. NZ has a similar system without the offshore camps.
The recurring story I get out of the ICE raids is always some person permitted to legally enter the country, but without status. Their lawyers will claim they are permitted to stay while their status is determined. The story is always one of attempted compliance with the law. But maga cries illegal and demands immediate deportation. That's the kind of legal grey area that can be easily solved with legislation. There's no need for cops to be the determining factor. People are generally accepting of enforcement action once due process has been seen to be done, and theres nothing about the current situation that even smells a bit like due process.
Honestly they have issues, and have become a massive political football, but we also dont have cops shucking masses of people out of their homes mid visa application.
>You don't have an inherent right to be in other countries.
Countries don't have inherent rights that exceed human and negative rights. Countries are for humans or they aren't worth having.
Well said.
The US has been covertly but actively exploiting a deliberate grey area in immigration since before Mexico requested they start paying more than lip service toward border enforcement and actually return Mexican labourers rather than keeping them in limbo.
The scale is a temporary correction measure due lack of enforcement in previous years.
Determining that someone is in the country without citizenship, visa or other valid permission and what country they can be deported to is all the due process that is warranted. This is hardly US-specific, most non-western countries are much much harder on illegal immigration. You don't have an inherent right to be in other countries. Trying to frame this as an decision that needs court proceedings for every single deportee is an attempt to make deportations effectively impossible.