Comment by apelapan

Comment by apelapan 4 days ago

5 replies

You pay the same proportion, not the same amount. 40% of 1M is 10x more than 40% of 100k.

Disregarding all technicalities about what proportion people actually end up paying after performing clever tax planning.

Why are you sure that someone earning 1M should have higher proportion of their income taken away than someone earning 100k?

At some sufficiently low level of income I think it stops making sense collecting taxes, but beyond that I'm not so sure from a fairness-perspeective.

I could perhaps get on board with a hard cap on wealth, for preserving democracy. It is dangerous to have single individuals and families attain too much power. But up to that cap, I don't see any inherent unfairness or inefficiency in that people of moderate to high wealth pay the same proportional rate.

Yizahi 4 days ago

I agree about wealth cap. I suspect that ultra-rich would rather pay higher taxes than have a hard cap. Or cap will be defined in such way as to become meaningless. This is why I advocate for high tax brackets, as being more realistic in practice.

As for proportionality - taxes are inherently unfair on the individual level. But they are fair on the large society level. All of our niceties are essentially funded from taxes. Current "free market" plus corruption mean that to finance growth more and more money is needed and part of them come from more and more taxes. But a lot of basic goods are fix price or low enough price, so that they make le and less percent of person expenses the more income rises. So to be more fair, it is fairer to increase tax on the ultra-rich class and spare tax increase on poorer classes, making average suffering lower. If we simply increase all taxes, then the lower the income the more tax a person would pay. It in kinda unfair and not productive to do it this way.

JKCalhoun 4 days ago

> I could perhaps get on board with a hard cap on wealth, for preserving democracy.

Well, a progressive (also wealth?) tax should help to accomplish that.

  • apelapan 4 days ago

    What I am trying to disagree with, is the notation that it is unfair if high-earners and very-high-earners hand the same proportion of their wealth and income over to the government.

    My take on the wealth-cap is that it isn't about fairness at all. Actually I think it would be mostly unfair, but that it would be good for society anyway. Fairness is an important value, but it is not the only value.

    • JKCalhoun 3 days ago

      You and I differ on the meaning of "fair" then. With regards to taxation "fair" is often taken to mean "what one can afford".

      I think it's safe to say that those with over $100M will still have a plenty of dosh left even at a much higher tax rate than someone living paycheck to paycheck.

      If tax revenues are seen as a pie chart—sliced based on contributions from the wealthy and the paycheck-to-paycheck, moving away from a progressive tax system means the poor will be asked to contribute more, the wealthy less. That seems like the opposite of fair to me.

      I mean, quit being so poor then, I guess?

      • apelapan 3 days ago

        No need to bring the poor into the discussion. Of course they can't afford paying an equal share of their income as someone with average or above average income.

        In the grandparent post I was first replying to, the poster stated that they were in the highest tax bracket that existed in their country, but said there should be more brackets for people who were even more well off.

        My opinion is that it isn't unfair to the top 1% that the top 0,1% have the same tax rate, even though they are richer.

        I do think it is unfair if the bottom 25% have the same tax rate as the top 25%.