Comment by jama211 4 days ago
You can bypass the warning really easily, I googled it the moment I saw it and it was very easy. A keyboard shortcut to open the command window during the install and one cheeky command. I agree though that it’s silly they don’t offer it officially.
But I get the feeling you were on the edge of transitioning anyway, which is fine! Sounds more like the straw that broke the camels back.
Aren't you guys actually talking about a TPM 2.0 device being present on the machine and not a CPU specifically? Cause the whole Windows 11 thing was (I thought) full disk encryption with TPM 2.0 attestation booted from a secure boot BIOS. That basically just means you can't take the disk and boot it on another machine. There would be no way to decrypt.
Windows 11 officially requires TPM 2.0, secure-boot enabled, and an AMD Zen+ (Ryzen 2xxx) or later or an Intel Core Gen 8 or later.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/windows-11-the-ars-t...
> ... the best rationale for the processor requirement is that these chips (mostly) support something called “mode-based execution control,” or MBEC. MBEC provides hardware acceleration for an optional memory integrity feature in Windows (also known as hypervisor-protected code integrity, or HVCI) that can be enabled on any Windows 10 or Windows 11 PC but can come with hefty performance penalties for older processors without MBEC support.
> Another theory: older processors are more likely to be running in old systems that haven’t had their firmware updated to mitigate major hardware-level vulnerabilities that have been discovered in the last few years, like Spectre and Meltdown
Yea I was looking at this for work. We require full disk encryption for all operating systems but linux is the one where it's a passphrase or a yubikey. In my personal life it would just make managing my PC more annoying. Imagine a motherboard failure and boom there goes my entire disk.
I have a few machines which lack a supported CPU. There's CPU's only 6 years old which aren't supported. There may be some newer ones even (I didn't bother to look).
If it was 2000 - it'd be like, "OK boss, you gotta upgrade that old dog of a CPU", but software bloat really hasn't kept up with CPU performance. I've got an i3 which is serviceable enough from 2014. Is it going to be able to keep up with modern SQL Server and Teams and VSCode and all that? Probably not all at once. But totally fine for basic computing.
But if your next move is to go to Linux where all that applies as well, why would that stop you?
You are correct that a Linux installation is ineligible for support from Microsoft. Not that that means anything for private usage.
Also, Linux has a great track record for not dropping support for older hardware. I think that is a lot more informative than whatever statement Microsoft's legal team has managed to come up with.
Windows 11 24H2 added a dependency on the POPCNT instruction, causing CPUs that don't have it - which were otherwise fine, to fail to even boot Windows.
What will be the next instruction/ISA extension that is only supported since Intel 11th Gen that there will be a hard dependency on? Any bets?
There's a little bit of considering it already yeah. Plus what the sibling comments say of it being clearly against what Microsoft wants, so no guarantee they won't disable it or make it even harder in the future. And also, the factor of, doing any of these check-disabling hacks also seems to require a full OS reinstall instead of an in-place update. If I need to do a full reinstall anyways, why not do it with an OS I don't need to hack up to get it to install on a system the OS maintainer doesn't want it to be installed on.
Apparently, fundamentally, Microsoft does not want me as a user. Hacking around their checks won't change that. I'd rather comply with their wishes and use an OS that actually wants me as a user.
I have two laptops that - even being 8 years and 4 years old fit the specs MS decided to set.
I still kicked itin the can. Am a happy Arch User & Ubuntu (will probably migrate that one to an Arch derivate as well, though) nowadays. I still use WIN11 in my day job. And it is an okay OS. I had worse. I had better.
What I find interesting is, that I gained on average 30 - 50% more battery time from the laptops I switched to Linux. It is quite unexpected and to me quite frankly amazing. I am writing this on my day job quite expensive Surface machine. I pulled it from the power connection to sit on the sofa about 20 minutes ago. My battery? At 73%. And I am running Firefox and PowerPoint at the moment (plus whatever corp crapware is installed underneath).
Except for exactly one set of tools (older Affinity progs) I have no need for WIN anymore. And as my day job provides a WIN machine...
My daily driver is a second hand W540 that was made in 2014 or so. It's got the maximum RAM that it will take (32G), and a larger HD, other than that it's just the same old box. It's indestructible and rock solid, drives three monitors and I couldn't be happier with it.
I can confirm this.
Honestly, I am really surprised this is a top comment here. This was an extremely easy work around. We are all mostly curious nerds here.
All this work because one couldn't google a easy work around?
Last time I tried Linux it sucked for gaming and I've spent hours trying to install a printer.
Not to excuse Microsoft in this situation, Linux is obviously more open.
I can't speak to gaming but i was warned about printer issues as well. However after a hasty switch from win10 to xubuntu to save my phd work i was able to get the office printer working on ubuntu that i could never print to on windows. Sure, i installed a driver but the dialogue literally directed me to do so. My jaw hit the floor when the test page came out flawless.
An anecdote about printers: I was just trying out Linux Mint from a live USB when out of nowhere appeared a popup that a Brother printer was ready for use. Turned out my significant other had switched on the WiFi printer in the other room. I really had to laugh out loud about how unexpectedly easy that was.
Linux has been good for gaming for years now. I think I switched 4 or 5 years ago, and in all that time I've almost never had problems running games.
Steam now supports 1 click install of its entire library windows and Linux native and the majority work. The majority of printers either work or do not. It's not a reasonable expectation that all hardware will work but you won't need hours of work either.
MS is free to deprecate your work around any given Tuesday when you have work to do leaving you in the same spot with less time available to do anything about it.
You are wrongly assessing the value of the alternatives to boot if you think they were just too stupid to google. Based on the article they already viewed Windows negatively prior to this and thus already had a motivation to switch.
If you bypass the installer minimum hardware checks then you're making a gamble that the official statement from Microsoft won't affect you:
> If Windows 11 is installed on ineligible hardware, your device won't receive support from Microsoft, and you should be comfortable assuming the risk of running into compatibility issues.
> Devices that don't meet these system requirements might malfunction due to compatibility or other issues. Additionally, these devices aren't guaranteed to receive updates, including but not limited to security updates.