Comment by HendrikHensen

Comment by HendrikHensen 4 days ago

Why though? On Mac, I have tons of unsaved work: many TextEdit windows which keep their state for many months, even through reboots. And it has been working like for at least 10 years. It's such a simple, little quality-of-life thing. And Microsoft just doesn't care.

This is what a computer should be doing: helping the user to get their work done, without the user having to worry about insignificant details about saving files. E.g. does Google Docs ever ask where to save a file before closing the browser or shutting down the computer? No you just get an untitled document that is automatically saved. If I want to rename it or save it in a different location, I am free to do so. But as long as I don't, it doesn't get in the way and just persists stuff automatically.

layer8 4 days ago

I don't disagree, but you have to know which applications reliably keep their state across restarts. You can't blindly rely on it on any desktop system. The Microsoft Office applications actually do auto-save documents since a couple of years ago, even though the recovery UX can be a bit awkward.

What Microsoft doesn't care about is that you may have applications running that don't do that, when Windows reboots for updates.

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wpm 4 days ago

On macOS the feature is baked into the OS's APIs, the app developer just opts into using them. If they don't, quitting with unsaved work will prompt the user modally, and block the restart to the point where the OS will timeout the reboot process and give up. The only way to purposefully lose unsaved work in almsot every app I've ever used on macOS is to yank the power cable or hold the power button down.
Window locations and app state are written to plist files, again, using OS libraries and APIs for app resume. I can reboot my Mac and not even realize it happened sometimes it all comes back the way it was.

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- layer8 4 days ago
  
  The blocking happens on Windows as well, except that the timeout logic is the reverse: it force-quits the applications then, because presumably the potential security update is more important.
  
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HendrikHensen 4 days ago

Yep. On Mac (and Linux, actually) I know of some applications that do that. I also know that on Windows most applications don't do that. I would also never leave un-saved work open on Windows.
I was replying to: "The fact that you leave unsaved work overnight is the actual crazy part". As long as you know which apps auto-save and know you can somewhat rely on them, it's not so crazy.

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eviks 4 days ago

> Why though?

> Microsoft just doesn't care.

So you know why. Also, Macs have other apps besides textedit, do all of them preserve unsaved docs across restarts?

> what a computer should be doing

Ok, but the discussion is about reality

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testing22321 3 days ago

> Macs have other apps besides textedit, do all of them preserve unsaved docs across restarts?
Every Mac app I’ve ever used does.
I don’t really care though, I reboot at most once ever six months

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tim333 4 days ago

Most stuff on my mac seems ok. The clunkiest is the Microsoft software - Word and Excel but even that sort of works.

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causalscience 4 days ago

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HendrikHensen 4 days ago

Of course, everyone has their own workflow. I won't tell anyone to adjust their workflow. But the exact point I was trying to make is that it's not random apps. It's specific apps that one knows about and how they behave. And once you know those apps (like TextEdit, Google Docs, etc) you can pretty much rely on it to survive reboots and power outages.

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