Comment by kreetx

Comment by kreetx 4 days ago

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These were accidents, not court proceedings where you have weeks or months to think things over.

My prediction is that if you investigate them, then in the case where the woman was trying to drive away, the officer likely has no fault at all, as the drive may have easily be interpreted as driving towards him. On the armed protestor occasion, there might be some fault as the gun seemed to have gone off unexpectedly. But it won't be punished too hard, if at all, as the victim was actively escalating the situation.

These weren't punishments ("death sentences" as someone else called them). These were accidents where the victims themselves were (mostly) at fault.

roumenguha 4 days ago

Obviously there may be people who disagree about the facts of these cases. Trends, however, may bear more weight:

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/us-border-agents-i...

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DangitBobby 4 days ago

I'd forgive you for thinking they were accidents if you hadn't seen the videos or heard them described to you. They were cold blooded murder.

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  • kreetx 4 days ago

    I did see the videos, that was what made me come to that conclusion.

    I don't need any forgiveness from you. You should forgive yourself instead, become part of the grown-ups!

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    • DangitBobby 4 days ago

      Uh huh. It seems to be a small proportion of American man-children that don't understand what's happening, the rest of the world sees it plain as day. Anyway, you obviously didn't actually watch the videos. Try opening your fucking eyes next time.

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      • kreetx 3 days ago

        Name calling truly is the grown up thing to do!

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mmustapic 4 days ago

They were not accidents. No one accidentally draws, aims a gun and shoots. If that whole sequence is accidental, that person shouldn't be in charge of a weapon.

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  • kreetx 4 days ago

    The shooting part was the accident. Of course you draw and aim a gun if you're detaining someone who also has a gun.

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    • kreetx 4 days ago

      (to the sibling, mmustapic)

      What I'm saying is that he did have a gun, this particular gun was taken away, then he was apparently reaching for something else, which may have been mistaken for a gun, hence the shot. Or, the officer fired at him for some other suspicion. Regardless, you don't have perfect information in a situation like this. The guy wasn't behaving peacefully either.

      My suggestion would be to obey orders, don't bring weapons to protests, don't resist when you're being detained. And so on.

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      • mmustapic 4 days ago

        What order was he disobeying? They pepper sprayed him and dragged him to the flor, he didn't have a gun in his hands, no danger at all, so why shoot him? He wasn't grabbing anything, you see his hands are free in the video.

        And not behaving peacefully (who would when you are pepper sprayed and are hitting you in the head) shouldn't (in a decent country) be a reason to be shot.

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        • mmustapic 4 days ago

          Or better, so that you can think about. Pretti was standing there filming. What should have he done to "obey"? What was his mistake before they pushed him? Before they sprayed him? Before they dragged him to the ground, back to the street? Before they hit him in the head? What should have he done to prevent being shot?

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    • kreetx 4 days ago

      He was apparently grabbing something, which was said to be a phone.

      I personally would have just been entirely still right from the moment the detainment process started.

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      • spacechild1 4 days ago

        I'd like to see you stay calm when you suddenly get peppersprayed directly in the face and wrestled to the ground.

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      • mmustapic 4 days ago

        Oh man, so the police can just jump on you and get scared because you are grabbing a phone, and shoot you? Good luck with your life, you'll need it.

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        • kreetx 4 days ago

          The police is just as human as you and me. This person was carrying one gun - he might have more weapons on him. He was also resisting the takedown while the gun was found.

          You make it seem as this was just a random guy walking with a phone, and was shot.

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    • mmustapic 4 days ago

      He didn't have a gun when he was shot, what are you talking about? He didn't even have a gun in his hand. Or you mean that you can accidentally shoot somebody who had a gun, at some point in the past?

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      • kreetx 4 days ago

        I think you can shoot someone if you have reason to believe that somebody has a gun. In this particular occasion the guy did not have another gun.

        (Hence I'm calling it an accident, where the police officer may be at fault. Though, other commentators saying it was cold blooded, a death sentence, deliberate, etc. is not true. Nor is generalizing this particular situation to changes in government type. These people really want to portray their political opponent as bad as they possibly can.)

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