Comment by 0xDEAFBEAD 5 days ago
>even having detainment camps for non-convicted civilians is already too much.
How do you suggest enforcing immigration law when millions have entered your country illegally? (If you believe in enforcing it all.)
I basically agree, but even Obama built detention centers, no? I don't think anything you advocate is incompatible with detention centers or detainment camps.
That’s not the way things are being run now. People are being detained and sent to camps without warrants. There are complaints about conditions and no observers are allowed. People from South America are being dumped in Africa, detained in foreign prisons without trial, deported without a hearing. Killed with no investigation.
and for the record I dont care what Obama did. some fairly dubious things. does that justify any of this?
I don't support the "way things are being run now" or even what Obama did, necessarily. Just objecting to the narrow point that "detainment camps for non-convicted civilians is already too much".
Well, you could build centers that are not prisons. Not resorts or holiday camps, but start with not crushing the balls of the people in there.
How we handle it in Europe is not perfect either, as immigrants tend to be put in hotels and costly amenities, but at least it's a humane way to do it. Plus, be better at sending them back if they are a problem (I won't use the term "deportation" because it's a word heavy with meaning since WW2).
>centers that are not prisons
So an illegal immigrant can just walk out of the center if they want? That sounds like you don't believe in enforcing immigration law.
Legally. With due regard to the rights of those involved, and when detention is necessary, with humane treatment. In particular honoring due process, where people have the right to to at least be seen by a judge. The right to communicate with their families, and when deportation is necessary, send them to their country of origin instead of another continent entirely or paying some prison somewhere to detain them indefinitely. That when people are detained at all it on the orders of the a judge, expressed in a warrant. That while under detention they should have access to legal services, and have an avenue to complain about their treatment if necessary.
This was all very well understood and hashed out through law and precedent over many decades.