Comment by derbOac

Comment by derbOac 5 days ago

32 replies

"Unlawfully scanning license plates"? What does that even mean?

Like searching a vehicle database? That's available to all sorts of people, like auto body repair shops.

Taking a photo of a license plate? Nothing illegal about that.

andreygrehov 5 days ago

You're confusing 'seeing a license plate' with 'querying restricted databases'.

Taking a photo is legal. Running plates through law-enforcement/ALPR systems is not, and auto body shops don't have that access.

Real-time identification != observation - it implies unauthorized data access.

  • plorg 5 days ago

    Journalists doing ride alongs have already identified the system and it doesn't really on "restricted databases", they rely on observation and multiple attestation. In any case, there are indeed commercial services for looking up license plate data, and they rely on watching the notices that are published when you register your vehicle. It's the same reason why you receive all sorts of scammy warranty "notices" when you buy a car.

    In fact the first clue that they look for is having Illinois Permanent plates because that is a strong indicator that they are using rental vehicles. That doesn't take a database, it's just a strong signal that can be confirmed by other evidence.

    • andreygrehov 5 days ago

      Do federal agents rent their vehicles?

      • plorg 5 days ago

        The crowd sourced lists don't identify the owners of the vehicles, because that does not matter. They identify vehicles that ICE is using, and "likely a rental" is one good signal.

  • anigbrowl 5 days ago

    If that was what you meant, you should have said that. Do you have any actual evidence this is happening, or are you just confusing possibility with probability?

    • tptacek 5 days ago

      I don't buy the claim that it's happening, but they were pretty clearly talking about the lookups, not the photos. They started off by mentioning "insiders".

    • zahlman 5 days ago

      > If that was what you meant, you should have said that.

      I think the choice of the verb "scanning" indicated it clearly enough.

      • anigbrowl 5 days ago

        Perhaps for you. This word is equally applicable to visual observation.

  • paganel 5 days ago

    > through law-enforcement/ALPR systems

    Were they doing that? I haven't read the article, that's why I'm asking.

      • janalsncm 5 days ago

        I don’t see anything there about querying license plate databases. There is a spreadsheet of donors to some kind of organization.

      • plorg 5 days ago

        I don't know what they think they're doing there. If the most interesting thing they found was the public website leading to a fundraising platform for mutual aid a) there is literally nothing illegal there, and b) you can find that website linked to publicly by conservatively 25% of the twin cities population. It's literally the most prominent fundraising website anyone has been posting.

  • rhcom2 5 days ago

    There is no evidence of this at all.

    • andreygrehov 5 days ago

      There is enough smoke to at least perform an investigation. As I said, this administration has deported 10x less people than the previous administrations.

      • germinalphrase 5 days ago

        You seem quite narrowly focused on the number of deportations rather than the methods being implemented. The primary criticisms of the current ICE surge in Minnesota focus on the general aggressiveness and lack of professionalism of these agents, not the deportations numbers.