Comment by sejje

Comment by sejje 5 days ago

7 replies

Cruel and unusual punishment is about sentencing, after a trial. These folks didn't go through a trial.

No, I don't think either person deserved fifteen years of hard labor, or five years.

What actually happened is not that they were executed on the spot, no.

lovich 5 days ago

Oh, just spontaneously died then? You know if you play the video backwards it shows ICE applying lifesaving bullet removal techniques on Mr. Pretti and Mrs. Good

  • sejje 4 days ago

    If I die in a car crash, you don't get to say the car executed me.

    Words mean things.

    • lovich 4 days ago

      You are correct, and in this case he was executed.

      Shot in the back and then mag dumped for good measure by government agents.

      If you want to argue that he wasn’t executed by those agents but was instead murdered, I’d suppose you might have a point.

      • sejje 4 days ago

        Your arguments are really just based in misnaming things?

        • lovich 4 days ago

          I could throw that right back at you. We have a difference of opinion on facts.

sowbug 5 days ago

It's not a particularly strong argument that these agents didn't violate the 8th amendment because they violated the 6th amendment right to trial.

  • sejje 4 days ago

    You mean "you're right, saying the victim was cruelly and unusually punished isn't a good argument here."

    You've just presented a new argument.

    Many, many people are killed by LEO each year; how many are considered 6th amendment violations? (None. LEO is not out there "administering judgement", they are responding to deadly-force encounters, guns, etc)