gmueckl 5 days ago

This argument is actually backwards: one of the goals of the wayland project is to draw development away from X. If wayland didn't exist, people would have worked on X11 a lot more.

  • _flux 5 days ago

    It's not an argument in the first place: it's describing the current situation. Wayland does exist, and did draw development away from X.

    • gmueckl 5 days ago

      Not quite. Wayland was created in part to draw developers away from X. Seeking buy-in from Xorg developers specifically was a big part of it.

      • bee_rider 5 days ago

        This seems to be implying that the creation of Wayland had some motivation that was essentially malicious toward X. Is that right?

torstenvl 5 days ago

Hmm? Seems to be getting plenty of development.

https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/activity

  • bee_rider 5 days ago

    That’s a fork, which is fine. But for example, users from most mainstream distros will have to compile it themselves.

    I guess we’ll see if that development is ever applied to the main branch, or if it supplants the main X branch. At the moment, though… if that’s the future of X, then it is fair to be a little bit unsure if it is going to stick, right?

ok123456 5 days ago

That's X.org, which is controlled by the Free Desktop Foundation.

The OpenBSD people are still working on Xenocara, and it introduces actual security via pledge system calls.

  • bee_rider 5 days ago

    That seems pretty interesting. I guess it relies on BSD plumbing though?

    Funny enough, the my first foray into these sort of operating systems was BSD, but it was right when I was getting started. So I don’t really know which of my troubles were caused by BSD being tricky (few probably), and which were caused by my incompetence at the time (most, probably). One of these days I’ll try it again…

    • zamalek 5 days ago

      Yup, "pledge" is one of my BSD envies. Namespaces and unshare are significantly more complex and we're still told not to use them as a security barrier (which is explicitly in scope for pledge).

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