Comment by dec0dedab0de

Comment by dec0dedab0de a day ago

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I would assume it is because of the extra distractions now. Everything becoming "smarter" and more addictive. How many were looking at their phones, hurrying back to catch the increasingly manipulative "news", or frustrated because their voice assistant didn't understand them?

Since 2000 all of these things, and the amount of tech per household in general, have gone up quite a bit. I'm surprised it wasn't listed as a hypothesis worth looking at.

kube-system a day ago

The increase was greatest in the groups least likely to engage in that behavior.

The hypotheses in the article are much stronger. To me, the increasing use of mind altering drugs in geriatric care is an obvious contributor... so much so that these drugs list that risk on the label.

  • rawgabbit a day ago

    Anecdotally, several of my extended family are now on SSRIs because it helps alleviates their pain from rheumatoid arthritis. My mom in particular often complains about fainting; if I was taking similar high dosages of painkillers, SSRIs, and other drugs targeting the nervous system I would faint too.

  • rramadass a day ago

    > the groups least likely to engage in that behavior.

    Actually, the Elderly are even more hooked into technology and its distractions.

    The Phone-Based Retirement Is Here - https://archive.ph/eieyI

  • dec0dedab0de a day ago

    The hypotheses in the article are much stronger. To me, the increasing use of mind altering drugs in geriatric care is an obvious contributor... so much so that these drugs list that risk on the label.

    I would hope the article is better than the gut feeling of some random programmer commenting on hn before his standup.

    The increase was greatest in the groups least likely to engage in that behavior.

    I must point out that the elders in my life are the most tech addicted people I know. They barely know how to use it, but they never put it down. Which means they are constantly struggling to get their fix. I saw this behavior 25 years ago doing tech support for a dial-up ISP, and it has become way more common since. To the point that the senior citizen posting nonsense on facebook, and forwarding email chains is a common trope.

    Again, I'm sure the article is doing better research than my personal experience, I was just surprised it wasn't mentioned.

    • kube-system a day ago

      Elderly people scroll facebook while sitting down, not while walking around... especially if they are of the physical condition where a fall at grade would kill them.

      • dec0dedab0de a day ago

        My mother fell and broke her shoulder a few years ago because she heard a ding on her ipad and was rushing back to check it. In 1999, it would have only been the telephone giving her alerts.

        • kube-system 21 hours ago

          Last millennium there were vanishingly few phones that elderly people just had in their pocket ready at a moments notice. Wouldn't it have previously been more likely that people had to run across the house for the phone before pocketable phones, texting, and voicemail?

netsharc a day ago

This is my first guess too. There's some stat that says more people die from falling while they try to frame a selfie compared to dying because of shark attacks... (Ok death by shark is actually quite rare)

  • kube-system a day ago

    The death rates increased 200% for 85+ year olds but deceased for people under 35.

    • mothballed a day ago

      I wonder if it's about 1/3 as easy to find an under 35 year old handyman as it was in the year 2000.

      Since 2020 the price of maintaining anything in your house has exploded, coupled with dwindling value of fixed incomes, which has got to be getting a lot more old people up on ladders.

      • dec0dedab0de a day ago

        I almost mentioned that too, but I thought I was going to expose myself for being bad at maintaining my house.

        Going down the same line of thought, how many people are attempting DIY repairs that they never would have before because of youtube and other resources? I know that I have done way more work on my home than my parents or grandparents ever did.

      • m3047 16 hours ago

        I'm over 65 and I'm fabbing a ladder to permanently install on my high-aspect roof at the moment (out of iron. drilling, cutting, bending, welding, threading rods, oh my!). I'll get to install it myself, too. Every few years I get out a credit card and rent a 40' (overkill!) Z-lift for a week, it's much better than working on ladders for anything major, like repairing / replacing fascia or installing wire cloth over the gutters: America, gotta love it. And there's no OSHA inspector to worry about when you're the property owner as well as equipment operator.

        I view it as exercise. If people don't need me to prep their data or fix their internet plumbing, I have other things to do (and it's possible someone will see the work and I get a side gig, it's happened before).

        Ironically yesterday I was stapling wire cloth at the top of the stairs on the wooden deck because it gets slippery.

        It is hard to find good handy help. They "repaired" a gutter by nailing it to the crown moulding, which is not structural (resulting in the failure of the fascia, but I digress); repaired copper supply lines with plastic; didn't tighten a slip ring on a sewer trap in the crawlspace. We just had a new roof put on, and overall they did a competent job but there is one leak, coming from a problem we explicitly paid them to solve, and getting that fixed is going real slow. The guy responsible for that aspect is obviously not a native english speaker; OTOH we prevailed on them to install some overhangs, and the carpenter worked with us and allowed us to paint the decking / sheathing / soffit which would be exposed before it was installed. During one of my burnouts I worked as an estimator for a high-end wood flooring company; literally over half of our competition was illegal, unlicensed, and sometimes part of an acknowledged criminal enterprise (not totally throwing shades at people who aren't from here, we had five crews and the Italian and the former Russian physicist (beautiful inlay work!) crew leads were class acts). But I digress.

        I've done crazy shit my whole life, my dad died scuba diving at 52 (cause of death was inconclusive) but his brother lived into his 90s. A couple of years ago my father-in-law died after a fall; he was taking photographs in a park. Somehow when he fell he broke his neck; could have been a stroke, but he never really stabilized enough to find out, was dead within a week. He was in his 80s.

rramadass a day ago

> I would assume it is because of the extra distractions now

... leading to loss of awareness of surroundings and smooth movement disruptions.

I very much agree with you that this most certainly is a factor in addition to the others listed in the article.