Comment by moring

Comment by moring 5 hours ago

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Non-constructive reply: Developers have been burned too many times by snake oil vendors and "solutions" that only work for toy examples. Also, I've never seen being slow to be encouraged anywhere. Most consider it an acceptable tradeoff though.

Constructive reply: What would be an approach to writing a large web frontend (large as in, many pages and controls) without using a large framework?

I'm asking this because I know how to do it in React but also how to do it "the old jQuery way" (or equivalently, using today's standardized builtins). Productivity is easily 100x larger with React.

edit: Ideally, together with a link to an example open-source application that does it that way, to understand how it works and feels at (code) scale.

austin-cheney 3 hours ago

> without using a large framework?

I have explained this countless times. It rarely sinks in and quite often is met with hostility, so I don't bother any more. The problem is simple: its where people stake their career. Do they build their career upon writing original applications or upon using a tool? This difference is rather extreme.

By the way, without React shouldn't default to jQuery. If that is your perspective of reality you are already at the maxim of your potential.

seszett 4 hours ago

> link to an example open-source application that does it that way

My experience is with this: https://github.com/Dolibarr/dolibarr (what I currently work on is quite similar, but it's not open source).

It works fine. Clients don't complain about the interface. The project has been going on for 20 years or so now, and doesn't need big refactors every time a dependency gets updated because it avoids dependencies.