Comment by Palmik

Comment by Palmik 5 hours ago

14 replies

Nothing wrong with a GPL-like viral license for the AI era.

Training on my code / media / other data? No worries, just make sure the weights and other derived artifacts are released under similarly permissive license.

m4rtink 3 hours ago

Well, I would say it should be like that already & no new license is needed. Basically if a LLM was ever based on GPL code, its output should be also GPL licensed. As simple as that.

rubymamis 2 hours ago

We need countries to start legally enforce that. Nothing will change otherwise. I stopped open sourcing my code and LLMs are one of the big reason.

breezykoi 4 hours ago

Wouldn't you want the code generated by those models be released under those permissive licenses as well? Is that what you mean by other derived artifacts?

teekert 3 hours ago

It really should be like that indeed. Where is RMS? Is he working on GPLv4?

  • twoodfin 3 hours ago

    If model training is determined to be fair use under US copyright law—either legislated by Congress or interpreted by Federal courts—then no license text can remove the right to use source code that way.

  • trashb an hour ago

    You can follow him on https://stallman.org/ What is he doing? I believe still giving talks and taking stance on current day political issues. Additionally I believe the last few years where quite turbulent so I assume he is taking life at his own pace.

  • oblio 2 hours ago

    RMS is probably greatly behind the technical news at this point. I mean, he's surfing the web via a email summary of some websites. Even if he doesn't condone of how the internet is evolving, he can't really keep up with technology if he doesn't "mingle".

    He's also 72, we can't expect him to save everyone. We need new generations of FOSS tech leaders.

    • Imustaskforhelp an hour ago

      I am gen-z and I am part of the foss community (I think) and one of the issues about new generations of FOSS tech leaders is that even if one tries to do so.

      Something about Richard stallman really is out of this world where he made people care about Open source in the first place.

      I genuinely don't know how people can relicate it. I had even tried and gone through such phase once but the comments weren't really helpful back then on hackernews

      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45558430 (Ask HN: Why are most people not interested in FOSS/OSS and can we change that)

      • teekert an hour ago

        As much as RMS meant for the world, he’s also a pretty petty person. He’s about freedom but mostly about user freedom, not creators freedom. I also went through such a phase but using words like “evil” is just too black and white. I don’t think he is a nice person to be around.l, judging from some podcasts and videos.

maelito 3 hours ago

Interesting. Is there a license that acts this already ?

grumbel 2 hours ago

That is a complete fools errand. If it ever passes it would just mean the death of Open Source AI models. All the big companies would just continue to collect whatever data they like, license it if necessary or pay the fine if illegal (see Antropic paying $1.5 billion for books). While every Open Source model would be starved for training data within its self enforced rules and easy to be shut down if ever a incorrectly licenses bit slips into the models.

The only way forward is the abolishment of copyright.